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11-19-2007, 07:06 PM
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Birthright Citizenship Controversy
Currently, simply being born in the United States is enough to grant you citizenship.
Where do you stand on the clause in the 14th Amendment that extends birthright citizenship? Do our current situations with immigration necesitate slight changes (perhaps, including for the situation of illegal immigrant parents) or should it be done away with all together? Is the latter, what would be your policy from now on? Or do you have a totally different idea?

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11-19-2007, 07:28 PM
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We should Amend it. It was intended to ensure that all slaves were granted citizenship, and to close up any loopholes that could be formed.
In our current environment, there is no reason for birthright citizenship. Someone in the country illegally, or on a student or tourist visa can have a child here, and use them as an anchor baby. It undermines the ability of the U.S. to regulate immigration in the way the people want it to be done. Birthright citizenship undermines immigration laws, and promotes people to come here illegally to have their children, as a shortcut to the immigration process.
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11-19-2007, 07:32 PM
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So, would you simply amend it to say something like "provided that they were birthed from a legal immigrant mother", "legal immigrant set of parents", etc.? Or would you scrap it altogether?
If the latter, what would be your new policy on who gets to be a citizen?
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11-19-2007, 07:35 PM
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So, would you simply amend it to say something like "provided that they were birthed from a legal immigrant mother", "legal immigrant set of parents", etc.? Or would you scrap it altogether?
If the latter, what would be your new policy on who gets to be a citizen?
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I'd say having at least one parent who is a US Citizen. If both parents are legal immigrants, have their immigration status tied to that of their parents, so when one of the parents apply for and get citizenship, their children all get it too.
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11-19-2007, 07:42 PM
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Interesting idea. I've not heard that thrown around before (most people are too black and white on the issue to find middle ground  ).
BTW, which part of Texas do you live in? 
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11-19-2007, 07:45 PM
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Interesting idea. I've not heard that thrown around before (most people are too black and white on the issue to find middle ground  ).
BTW, which part of Texas do you live in? 
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Austin =P
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11-19-2007, 08:08 PM
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we should get rid of it, yes it was intended for African Americans originally and if we don't we will have a 5th column of Hispanics flying Mexican (etc) flags but can vote to open up our borders to all their cousins South of the border. Not a good idea. Ive been to Mexico. It is a crap-hole. Most countries don't have this type of law just to prevent large waves of immigrants with anchor babies from doing what they do here.
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11-19-2007, 08:18 PM
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we should get rid of it, yes it was intended for African Americans originally
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Get rid of it. Okay - What would you put in its place to qualify for citizenship?
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11-19-2007, 08:32 PM
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From what I've studied, this is not just a US law, but an international law. We don't really have much of a choice about repealing it because of that. Anyway, I think it's kind of rediculous to change our nations laws just because of this current situation. We may desperately need them in the future. It is definatly not worth removing, even if we could.
I guess ammending the 14th ammendment to add in a clause similar to what Caltex is proposing would be okay. Something like: A child's parents must reside in the US legally for the child to be granted birthright citizenship...
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11-21-2007, 04:17 PM
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Get rid of it. Okay - What would you put in its place to qualify for citizenship?
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Like every other nation. How long you have lived here and held a job, stayed out of trouble, after a certain number of years as an adult you can apply.
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