kick 'em out - Political Forum

gambling_problem · 11-13-2007, 01:56 AM

Am I the only one who will be totally honest about the immigration situation? Why is this even a debate? We have laws that define the process of obtaining legal citizenship or even temporary work permits for aliens. All actions that act outside of the laws are illegal. Where is the debate? Am I supposed to feel sorry for illegal immigrants if they get shipped back to wherever they came from. America doesn't owe them anything. Blanket amnesty is a joke too. Why would we give someone who is living here illegally a chance to become legal? This 700 mile fence along the US/Mexico border is a great idea as well. It should have been thought of a long time ago. Illegal immigrants are a drain on the economy and I don't owe them anything.

Kazikli Bey · 11-13-2007, 04:10 AM

And what about all those who have to flee illegally because of suppression and violence in their homeland? What about those Afghani's and Iraqi's who are fleeing persuction from terrorists in their homeland? Something that Americans started (at least in Iraq). Would you not grant them amnesty even though your country is partly to blame for them having to flee their homeland?

emptypepsi · 11-13-2007, 06:11 AM

Because simply "kicking them out" is not going solve the problem. If you truly want to solve the issue of people coming illegally, you must take away why they come illegally and give an incentive to come legally. The system (for many) is ridiculous to those coming legally, so resorting to illegal work (given out by employers) is what they go to. It's a matter of punishing the employers that are baiting them to come illegally and making the system less complicated; thus you take away the incentive to come illegally and increase the incentive to come legally.

dahermit · 11-13-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Because simply "kicking them out" is not going solve the problem. If you truly want to solve the issue of people coming illegally, you must take away why they come illegally and give an incentive to come legally. The system (for many) is ridiculous to those coming legally, so resorting to illegal work (given out by employers) is what they go to. It's a matter of punishing the employers that are baiting them to come illegally and making the system less complicated; thus you take away the incentive to come illegally and increase the incentive to come legally.

Absolutely correct. It is too labor extensive and expensive to deport all illegal aliens; instead they must be induced to leave on their own (no chance of employment here).

gambling_problem · 11-13-2007, 11:16 AM

Why would be softed our laws to accomodate non-Americans? The strict laws and lengthy process for citizenship exist to protect Americans and our way of life.

Oregon Elephant · 11-13-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gambling_problem

Why would be softed our laws to accomodate non-Americans? The strict laws and lengthy process for citizenship exist to protect Americans and our way of life.

Whether or not that is true (I disagree), it is far better for our economy and our way of life to have people comeing over legally where we can know who is comeing, rather than having them sneak across illegally. To stop illegal immagration, you have to lower the pros of illegal entry (like Pepsi said) and raise the pros of legal entry.

iTaliAN_ICe · 11-13-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

And what about all those who have to flee illegally because of suppression and violence in their homeland? What about those Afghani's and Iraqi's who are fleeing persuction from terrorists in their homeland? Something that Americans started (at least in Iraq). Would you not grant them amnesty even though your country is partly to blame for them having to flee their homeland?

What suppression and violence is occurring in Mexico?

Very few, if any, of our illegal immigrants are from Afghanistan or Iran. The overwhelming majority of them come from Mexico, and most of the others come from various Latin American countries.

Oregon Elephant · 11-13-2007, 05:32 PM

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What suppression and violence is occurring in Mexico?

Very few, if any, of our illegal immigrants are from Afghanistan or Iran. The overwhelming majority of them come from Mexico, and most of the others come from various Latin American countries.

They're economy is very suppressing. It is nearly imposible to work out of poverty there.

iTaliAN_ICe · 11-13-2007, 05:57 PM

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They're economy is very suppressing. It is nearly imposible to work out of poverty there.

That doesn't even begin to make illegal immigration excusable in my mind. Many people in far worse economic situations are able to enter America legally, and we get legal immigrants from Mexico. Why is it that some think that they're above immigration laws?

Oregon Elephant · 11-13-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

That doesn't even begin to make illegal immigration excusable in my mind. Many people in far worse economic situations are able to enter America legally, and we get legal immigrants from Mexico. Why is it that some think that they're above immigration laws?

Of course not, I don't try to justify the illegal immagration for the mexicans. But if mexico was going through a war on their land, I would accept those illegals fleeing from mexico. I don't think that KB was refering directly to Iraqis coming to the US, but those that went to neighboring nations in fear.