It seems the immigration debate for the first time seems to leave the stereotypical exclusive picture of the illegal immigrant drug dealer.

In the last weeks increasingly more stories have become public over immigrants and refugees who are expelled and brought back to the countries they came from. While legally justified, the officials could have acted also differently as well if they wanted to. But order from above is to be as strict as possible.

So the result is fully integrated (better than some Austrians that have never seen something else than this country I would dare to say) families being teared apart, forced out their homes and their environment within hours and packed into a plane with a one way ticket only. Whole village have already nearly revolted as they lost one of their most active and popular inhabitants due to those actions. (You can put your integration anywhere, if you the state comes to the conclusion that the ultra strict immigration law does not grant you any place here after years of waiting for a permanent allowance to stay)


The most recent case:

A Kosovar family was teared apart. The conservative party legitimates its minister by saying that family members were judged by a court to have committed a crime... (a pub-fight in fact, they forgot to mention that even our strict immigration law considers that as insignificant) and so lost their right to stay here. The father together with two older and two very young children had to leave already. The small childrens cry all day as they did not know anything else but Austria and now are in the middle of nowhere in a war damaged house in a little Kosovar village where they dont understand anyone.

But the 15year old daughter acted before the police could pack them into the plane as well. She escaped into the underground helped by Austrian friends as it seems. She now says she would commit suicide rather than going to that alien country as she would loose everything that she appreciate her live. Her home, her friends etc.

Video message from the girl:
ORF.at IPTV

Those things might have happened already often enough, but it seems our media now starts to get aware of it. What do you think abou this all? Are those fates of people insignificant? Are those ultrastrict immigration laws that even victimize foreign scientists invited by universities (just because they happen to be from poorer countries) justified?

PS:
I thought how many Austrian citizens would be prefer to die rather to leave the country... I probably would not I think even though I cant know for sure if I would say the abyss directly in front of my presence.

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It is probably more to do with being 15 than anything else.

Having to go back literally seems like the end of the world to her as, at that age, friends and a sense of belonging take on a greater signifiance.

In Scotland there is a group of girls about the same age known as 'The Glasgow Girls'. They are all friends in the same class at school and are made up mainly, but not exclusively, of asylum seekers.

They campaign for the rights of children caught up in such situations, many of whom have been here for years and have literally 'grown-up' here. Some mornings they arrive at school to discover that yet another of their friends has been taken under cover of darkness to detention centres awaiting deportation. These little girls have won awards for their courage and determination and rightly so. It is cruel and heartless to do that to a child and the little Austrian girl's story is a stark reminder of that.

Well, the minister says, he is just fulfilling his "obligations".... even though laywers say if he would like to, the law would give him totally easy and legal options to let this girl and her family stay.

Hm, the line of argumentation sounds like backwards over 60 years ago.... I just did fulfilled my orders....

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There was also a case of a Scottish/Thai boy who was to be expelled from the Shetland Islands in the north of Scotland, on the back of a firestarting offence. The islanders protested against his expulsion and involved the media. As far as I know, he's still here.

BBC NEWS | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Show of support for Thai deportee

A third of the population of Shetland has signed a petition calling for the release of young Thai man who is facing deportation from the UK.
Sakchai Makao, 23, who has lived on the island since he was 10, was taken from his home in Lerwick a week ago and is being held at Durham Jail.

He is awaiting deportation as a foreign national with a criminal record.

A protest of support was held outside the Scottish Parliament on Tuesday and there will be a rally in Lerwick later.

Austrian officials seem to be different. I think Armageddon could be the consequence and they still would deport him.

After the Conservatives here need the votes of the xenophobes who otherwise would what for the Naz... ehm I mean far right party called FPÖ...

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Let us be honest, the public want stricter immigration control and limited new arrivals- this will always lead to "heart wrenching" stories from certain quarters, usually with kids.

If the decision is taken to deport, we simply should deport them as quickly as possible- this girl's suicide comments will be the responsibility of the Kosovan authorities.

Ive had my fill of such tear jerking stories- deport illegals or you are simply stoking the flames of wider intolerance across Europe

The majority of the public does not only want litte immigration, it also wants a good integration of those who are here nonetheless.

Deporting those who belong to the best integrated sort of immigrants is not helping in this regard.

Its also interesting of what public you are speaking about? Because the "local public" even went onto the street demonstrating in favor of them. The village they lived in principally stood right behind them.

The interior minister said a very nice sentence: "Wir tuen nur unsere Pflicht" (We are just doing what we are obliged to)... And if you are Austrian you know why this same interior minister shortly after witnessed how terrible this sentence was for the sake of defending his actions. (If not, thats exactly the standard defense sentence soldiers and officials over 60 years ago used)

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I agree integration is the key, but being integrated isnt a get out jail card.

I always opposed multi cutlturalism, it merely put people into different competing groups and in my view was a form of pseudo racism, as these new immigrants were not proper Britiains, Austrians etc, they always had a "prefix".

In Britain, people like me who opposed multi culturalism were instantly denounced as racist throughout the 1980s and 1990s- there is a famous case of a Bradford headteacher being hounded out of his job over it.

Now those same people who cried "racism", mainly on the left, have now moved away from multi culturalism


Each case should be assessed on it's own merits, and certainly "integrated" should probably work in someone's favour- that being said if a decision is taken to deport, I back 100% instant deportation, regardless of what some friends decide to protest about


Not sure why the knee jerk reaction is there to somehow shoe horn "nazis" into the equations, a minister could use the line

"we are obliged to", about any form of decision making, from transport to immigration.

You would probably enjoy reading The Ayn Rand Institutes's writings on multiculturalism. (If you haven't already that is)

Their assertion is very much the same as yours, that Multiculturalism promotes racism of a different kind, by creating and strengthening racial identities over national identity.

No chum, haven't read that, but it sounds like the same sort of argument, which I would broadly support.

America has traditionally been successful because integration is the key, even when people use the term "irish american" or "italian american", being American trumps everything else.