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They say it's for big agribusiness....

They say it's for the Democrats to seek a new low income poor voting block which will vote for welfare, since angry poor people who want free money is a big vote getter for them.

They say it's the GOP wanting a part of the Spanish speaking vote so the Democrats don't get it all and make them irrelevant and turn the US into a 3rd world state bankrupted by the welfare state.... - or that they're just trying to satisfy business constituent needs for cheap labor.

Yeah, okay, they are all a part of it.

The real reason is to prevent Mexico from going Left Wing or even communist ala Castro or Chavez. The more angry poor people that they have, the worse it is for their government - albeit a corrupt government. Mexico also has oil, so them going the Chavez route wouldn't be welcome, and if a state like that was on the US border it would cause even more problems as a potentially worse access point for middle eastern terrorists, and drug cartels or the MS-13 gang. Granted it's already a problem in those regards but it would be worse with a little Napoleon like Chavez in power in Mexico.

So, they allow it as a safety valve and hence this huge bipartisan attempt to grant amnesty to these many millions of illegal immigration lawbreakers.

I'm against illegal immigration or amnesty. Some things are just too important to negotiate away for geopolitical reasons.

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I think we allow in Mexicans because employers (and I mean the entire US public as the employers) save a lot of money by hiring illegals. I live in the suburbs and all the unpleasant work is done by illegals. If there is a dirty job in the United States, it is done by illegals. Cleaning up something, or picking fruit in the baking heat, working in the kitchen in McDonalds, working as the clean-up crew in a hotel or heavy labor for low wages.....that's done by illegals. We DO like that, and that's why we have allowed our borders to be broken. We let them do the hard jobs, so that we may take the easy ones.


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Ygorl

I think one, often overlooked reason, is as a "net" to save social security over the next 50 to 75 years.

Todays American culture has become so egotistic, hedonistic and self involved that we're not having as many children as we need to. Has anyone seen the opening 5 or so minutes of the movie Idiocracy ? Mr. Judge has looked into our future with stunning accuracy I'm afraid.

Anyways, Mexicans COME here and they breed like rabbits (as they tend to DO) which will, over time create more taxpayers to prop up a HUGE retired population that DID not create their OWN safety net.

Don't tell the Mexicans that we're USING them. They might start NOT coming into our country to save our dumb asses :-)

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perdidochas

True. If it weren't for immigration (and immigrant's kids) our population growth would be stagnant.

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Ygorl

That's what seems so contradictory to this entire issue.

I mean I'm against illegal immigration as are MANY of us, but we're ignoring the fact that for some reason we have slowed our reproduction WAY way down.

1. Why do less affluent cultures and peoples have such HIGH reproductive rates ?

2. Why do MORE affluent cultures and peoples have such LOW reproductive rates ?

This isn't only occuring here in the U.S.

It might be interesting to seek the answers to the above two questions and relate them to this issue.

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emptypepsi

Which is why one of the two part answers to this entire issue is so SIMPLE:

Let more legals in a year. Seriously, up the amount that we allow in from 1.2 million a year (I think?) to a gradual increase to 3-3.5 million. At the same time, we increase funding for law enforcement on those who hire illegally. That would seem to be the best way to beat this problem.

Amnesty is just asking for more trouble, as is building a wall and militarizing the border. Neither fixes the problem.

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emptypepsi

Well, in less affluent countries, the lifespan tends to be shorter, and of course poverty is higher, so more kids means more people to support the families with in a household (I would think). That might be one facet of the answer Ygorl seeks.

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Ygorl

I think it IS (one facet).

Another has to do with our attitudes today. Are these attitudes that naturally COME from egotistic, pleasure seeking hedonists ?

Like I said, refer to the first 5 minutes of Idiocracy :-) Good show. Funny too.

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FRYandBENDER

That is a pretty funny movie. "Go away, I'm "bating".

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Ygorl

Yeah, no shit LOL

Sometimes it looks like America is GETTING like that

"Land of the free home of the dumb."

......It's got electrolytes ....

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