YES!!! Immigration "reform" bill stopped!!! - Political Forum

writerman · 06-07-2007, 11:48 PM

Maybe they finally got the message that the great majority of Americans want the border secured, the tidal wave of illegal immigrants halted, and no part of this piece of manure portrayed as "comprehenisve immigration reform."

Now what needs to be done is put laws on the books with devastating penalties, both levting massive fines and providing for hard prison time for officals who hire illegals, and agressively enforce them to the letter!

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 06-08-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by writerman

Now what needs to be done is put laws on the books with devastating penalties, both levting massive fines and providing for hard prison time for officals who hire illegals, and agressively enforce them to the letter!

How can that happen? Now the Senate just tried to rapidly pass what you refer to as a "piece of manure", so then why would they try to pass something that you would consider a good bill, if they have already tried twice to pass "manure" bills?

WEB

emptypepsi · 06-08-2007, 06:58 AM

W.E.B. raises a good question, despite the sarcasm.

It's going to take a lot more from people. Seriously, I'm glad the people can call in and STOP these types of things, but the cantidates are not going to get the message completely until we see the faces of those who don't want it. There have got to be demonstrations and louder voices from those who oppose these types of things. As it stands, the ones who want the "reform" are louder and demonstrate more often.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 06-08-2007, 07:45 AM

I think that the forces opposing illegal immigration will be the ones who lose the most if they succeed in their agenda. I can tell that just by logic, and also look who's for this bill.....Bill O'Reilly. Mr. anti-illegal. He's for the bill, because, as he said "there's nothing better coming down the pike." Anti-illegal forces are only providing more time for illegals to get further entrenched into the system and perhaps even for more illegals to make it into this country. Anti-illegals seem not to want this, yet I think they are making it possible for more illegals to gain a foothold in this country by preventing any action from being taken on the issue. They fail to plan strategically and suffer from a bit of arrogance.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 06-08-2007, 07:52 AM

Imagine this scenario:

Let's say that the anti-illegals torpedo this deal. This will be the second time that it got torpedoed. Illegal immigration was the big issue they felt was being ignored. Now that it got the attention, look what they did with it. Due to their stubbornness, no deal could be reached. So in the future maybe people will just say that no deal should be attempted.

In the meantime, illegals get at least another 2 years to come over, with less resistance at the border than they might have otherwise met. Also, more illegals will be having children here and living her longer, strengthening their claim to a path to citizenship.

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JustAnn · 06-08-2007, 09:38 AM

Thank God this horriffic bill was killed. Now, what we need to do is BUILD A FENCE, do NOT allow illegals to go to our schools. Do NOT allow illegals to work in this country. Do NOT provide medical care. Do NOT allow anchor babys. When they find out they can't drain us of $$$$ they'll run back into the hole that they came from.

Steven V Lutes · 06-08-2007, 12:31 PM

I doubt that killing this legislation will have any impact on the flow of illegals. I doubt that passing the legislation would have had any impact on illegal immigration other than to let the otherwise illegal immigrants in legally. I doubt that our political system will produce anything of value to the majority of citizens who are (thankfully, from the perspective elected officials and those who purchase them) too stupid and apathetic to deserve anything better than being sold out. I hope I'm proven wrong but our system really is getting to smell like the fish I forgot to refrigerate last week--oh, may be that's just Paris coming to visit me.

ginatim · 06-08-2007, 01:41 PM

What needs to happen is to STOP ALL free programs for people who are not American citizens. I hate the argument that "Illegals pay their taxes too". So what? Then take the damn citizenship test. I see more illegals getting better health care than the low income class of legal residents. I'm tired of having to be "sensitive" and "politically correct" in dealing with this issue. Also, we NEED to make English the official language of this country. I don't understand what the big deal is on that. All I know is that if I moved to Thailand, India, or Germany, I would be expected to learn their language. Do you think there's a correlation between the "why can't people read or write" and the fact that kids can't speak english and subjecting all of us to voting ballets in 50 languages!!!! Remember that politicians love the fact that "dumbing down" of America keeps them in power.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

emptypepsi · 06-08-2007, 01:41 PM

W.E.B., I think you're misunderstanding something. It's not that those who 'torpedo' it are wanting their cake while they eat it. People who 'torpedo' this still feel as if it is not being addressed seriously. There is simply no confidence in our politicians when it comes to passing legislation.

Let me try and put it a different way. This whole situation is at the result of laws not enforced. Last year, whether you were for or against it (I was against), legislation was passed to put up a wall on the border. As it stands, there has been little to no work done on it. Now there was recent talk of a NEW set of things to do. How are to know that we are going to get what we pay for if they can't even commit to one of the previous ones?

Most people just want our current laws enforced and for the government to show themselves capable of doing one thing right before they run off and pass more legislation that WE pay for. Passing this new stuff without even touching what was passed last year is not going to make people confident.

Bill O'Reilly represents a bloc of people that I don't fall under when it comes to specifics on our qualms, but they have the same basic frustration as I do: They, and I, simply do not understand how one can expect the citizenry to roll over when Politicians try and pass new legislation when they haven't had the cajones to simply put adequate enforcement into what we have NOW. How can you call something "broke" if you haven't even attempted to use it properly? We haven't tried enforcing that which we have already. The main frustration is: How about we give that a shot first, before we squander more money by repeating the same thing?

It's not a matter of them feeling ignored and then sabotaging any answer. It's not a matter of arrogance or stategic thinking. They just haven't been given an answer that makes sense to them, and in my opinion it is justified indignation. That is all.

emptypepsi · 06-08-2007, 01:56 PM

One of the things that struck me and seemed very odd about this bill since it was announced was the rush to get it passed. Seriously. The vote was originally set for before the Memorial Day weekend. It seemed to me that the bill's architects wanted to ram it through before anyone really got a chance to read it or discuss it.