Immigration - Political Forum

HollySantosH · 05-24-2007, 01:43 PM

My name is Holly, and I am new to this board, this is my first posting. I just wanted to say that I am happy that there is somewhere that I can go to talk about supporting illegal immigration. I will explain to you why. I am married to an illegal immigrant we have been married for almost two years, and have been together for almost 4. My husband is not a bad person he works very hard, and takes care of his priorites in his life. I just want to say that I wish the gov't would come up with something for these people that here, and have made a life for themselves. I dont agree with letting criminals stay here, I believe they should be sent back to their countries. Just out of curiosity how many of you on this board are married to illegals? I mean I know that I am not the only one, but sometimes I just feel like everyone is just against me and my husband. And I feel like that I need some support somewhere. I am so tired of hearing people talk about illegals like they are trash, and are no good, when they are descent human beings. Well thank you for your time I hope to hear some respones.

perdidochas · 05-24-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HollySantosH

My name is Holly, and I am new to this board, this is my first posting. I just wanted to say that I am happy that there is somewhere that I can go to talk about supporting illegal immigration. I will explain to you why. I am married to an illegal immigrant we have been married for almost two years, and have been together for almost 4. My husband is not a bad person he works very hard, and takes care of his priorites in his life. I just want to say that I wish the gov't would come up with something for these people that here, and have made a life for themselves. I dont agree with letting criminals stay here, I believe they should be sent back to their countries. Just out of curiosity how many of you on this board are married to illegals? I mean I know that I am not the only one, but sometimes I just feel like everyone is just against me and my husband. And I feel like that I need some support somewhere. I am so tired of hearing people talk about illegals like they are trash, and are no good, when they are descent human beings. Well thank you for your time I hope to hear some respones.

Are you a citizen? If so, how did your husband come over? If it was by overstaying his welcome, you might can get him a green card.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 05-24-2007, 02:06 PM

Welcome aboard, Holly.

I have a question. If someone marries an illegal, does that legalize an illegal?

WEB

perdidochas · 05-24-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

Welcome aboard, Holly.

I have a question. If someone marries an illegal, does that legalize and illegal?

WEB

Not always. It can under certain situations.

Tumbleweed · 05-24-2007, 02:33 PM

Hello Holly and welcome.

You bring an interesting perspective to this debate.

emptypepsi · 05-24-2007, 02:41 PM

Hi Holly,
If you don't mind, I have a few questions for you.

Why did your husband come illegally? Did he feel he did not have to go through the proper channels like legal immigrants?

What is your opinion of the Mexican response to the current proposal to compromise on Illegal Immigrants as "unfair" to Mexicans who are waiting for their own chance to come, waiting through the proper channels? Do they have a reason to be angry, seeing as they are following the rules, as our country asks every immigrant/prospective immigrant to do?

Thanks
EP

FRYandBENDER · 05-24-2007, 03:13 PM

Welcome to the board. I hope I don't come off as sounding too mean in this post, but I'm going to try to explain why I believe a lot of people feel the way they do about the illegal immigration situation.

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Originally Posted by HollySantosH

My name is Holly, and I am new to this board, this is my first posting. I just wanted to say that I am happy that there is somewhere that I can go to talk about supporting illegal immigration. I will explain to you why. I am married to an illegal immigrant we have been married for almost two years, and have been together for almost 4. My husband is not a bad person he works very hard, and takes care of his priorites in his life.

This is the kind of person we want coming to our country.

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I just want to say that I wish the gov't would come up with something for these people that here, and have made a life for themselves. I dont agree with letting criminals stay here, I believe they should be sent back to their countries.

Well the fact that he is here illegally makes him a criminal. He broke the law by coming here without the proper criteria. I don't want to equate him with a murderer or thief or anything, but the fact still remains that he broke laws by entering this country and is therefore a criminal.

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Just out of curiosity how many of you on this board are married to illegals?

Well, I'm not married to anyone, legal or otherwise, but I do have immigrants in my family. They are from Puerto Rico. Actually my cousin, the Rican, came here legally, his parents still live in Puerto Rico.

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I mean I know that I am not the only one, but sometimes I just feel like everyone is just against me and my husband. And I feel like that I need some support somewhere. I am so tired of hearing people talk about illegals like they are trash, and are no good, when they are descent human beings. Well thank you for your time I hope to hear some respones.

I do think that there are some people out there that due to racism or some other prejudice have a hard on against immigrants, but I believe that they are in the minority. I don't think that most people see it as them being against the illegal personally, but you have to think about what they see. From my own point of view I see that people have broken our laws by entering this country who then hold marches and complain about our country not being fair and that since they work hard we should forget the fact that they pretty much came here and said "screw your laws, I'm here and I want this, this, and this." If someone steals something should they not be held accountable to the law just becuase they work hard? Personally, I think that we as Americans have been pretty patient and forgiving of the illegals. We have a situation where it is in our best interest to know who is coming into our country, and we have millions of people saying that they pretty much don't care, they're sneaking in anyways. So far, all those who oppose illegal immigration have only voiced their opinions. For voicing these opinions they have in some cases been called racists. That only makes the situation worse. Not only are the illegals spitting on our laws, they are then calling opponents racists for questioning their "right" to be here. Then to top it all off, we see the folks who wave the reconqista banners.

I happen to know that mexicans are hard working people. When I go to the beach to talk with my contractors I see the illegals that some of them employ busting ass and doing a good job. As far as I'm concerned this is the type of people we should welcome into our country...... legally. But then you have the flip side.

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Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
by Walter Richards

Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily :: Articles :: North Coast Oregon

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How Much Do Illegal Aliens Cost U.S. Taxpayers?

July 12, 2005- Federal, state and local governments spend billions of dollars each year educating, caring for and incarcerating illegal immigrants. Until the federal government fortifies the border, taxpayers will have to continue to foot the bill for a variety of social services offered to illegals.

Education: Taxpayers are being forced to pay for the schooling of the children of illegal immigrants.
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Illegal immigrants who take low-paying jobs don't pay enough in taxes, if they pay at all, to reimburse taxpayers the $5,000-plus annually it takes to educate each of their children.
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The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually-- enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.
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In California, the $2.2 billion spent on the education of the children of illegal immigrants for one year could:
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Pay the salaries of 41, 764 teachers, or 14 percent of California's teachers.
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Pay for California's class sizes to remain capped at 20 students for a year, with $300 million to spare.
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Buy books, computers, and other instructional equipment for 346, 689 classrooms, 79 percent of all classrooms in California.
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Fully fund California 's free lunch program for almost two years.
Emergency Health Care: Taxpayers are forced to provide emergency health care for illegal aliens and their children who do not have insurance.
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Emergency health care for illegal aliens along the southwestern border is already costing area hospitals $200 million a year, with perhaps another $100 million in extended care costs.
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Hospitals must provide emergency treatment to all who walk through the door, regardless of their citizenship status or ability to pay. In 2001, America 's hospitals provided nearly $21 billion in uncompensated health care services.
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Hospitals in California rank first in the country in expenditures for providing health care to illegal immigrants.
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The Center for Medicaid Services at the Dept. of Health and Human Services reported that for FY 2001, the health care costs for illegal immigrants in California were over $648 million. California paid 47 percent of these costs, or $304,785,368, for this mandate.

Crime: Fifteen percent of California 's prison inmates are undocumented aliens, costing the state more than $500 million annually.

How Much Do Illegal Aliens Cost U.S. Taxpayers?

It seems to me that we have been pretty lenient WRT illegal immigrants. I think when you combine the fact that they have broken our laws, killed our citizens, and cost us an ungodly fortune it would seem that the illegals should be a little more appreciative of our patience, and be more willing to play by the rules and show some cooperation, instead of waving an "Amnista" banner in our faces. We need to work together to resolve this issue. We are doing our part by trying to write legislation that will give the immigrants an opportunity to work here legally. We need the illegals to step up and compromise also, even if that means returning to their country of origin to sign up for a work program.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 05-24-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by perdidochas

Not always. It can under certain situations.

Maybe a smart thing to do would be to leave the country, then apply for citizenship on the basis of being married to an American citizen. But on the other hand, maybe we don't have the will to enforce the letter of the law, so it might be better to stay and apply, even as an illegal.

Tamm422 · 06-20-2007, 08:06 AM

Hi Holly, When I met Reg (my husband now),I came here to N. Ireland. He came back with me to the States and over stayed his welcome. He got deported and sent back to N. Ireland with a 5 yr. deport. We have now been here almost 5 1/2 yrs. I have 2 kids from a previous marriage, now ages are son - 20, daughter -21. I have a step son aged 16. My children now reside back in New York. They tried it here but decided American life suited them better. My son joined the army and got hurt and came back to me here. He in turn over stayed his welcome here but was not caught. He returned on his own accord. Now he can probably cannot return here. So I have no choice but to deal with this seperation. I dont know if you have children, but you are married, so the way the laws work now, you have a choice to make. Either ,you can live there illegally with your husband or you can go to his homeland and live. (provided he doesnt get caught- or the choice will be made for you, like it has for us.)Either way, someday, some how, your family will be split up and choices made for you both. I hope you are strong enough and wise enough to fight the system. Best of luck to you but speaking from experience- try to get him legal. Best wishes........seriously!!

emptypepsi · 06-20-2007, 08:45 AM

No offense, but your 'blaming the system' is a little short sighted. Nobody in "the system" made you take any of those choices and act on them. It is not the government's fault on the behalf of the choices you made.