I just tuned into the O'Reilly Factor. I will try to paraphrase O'Reilly's initial remarks:

In 4 states whites are now the minority, the border bill will allow in 125,000 people who are families of the illegals, it's a good deal for them, the legal immigration inflow will increase to 1.5 million a year. The demographic change in this country will be huge.

O'Reilly also went on to say several other interesting comments including:

* This bill will wipe out the Republican Party since he believes all the illegals and new legal immigrants will go 3:1 for Democrats

* O'Reilly does think that the fencing and increased border patrols and the replacement of "Catch and Release" with "Catch and Hold" will really "taper down" the southern border and thus he endorses the bill since "there is nothing better coming down the pike."


OK, but he said in his initial statement "whites are the minority in 4 states....the demographic change will be huge." That was his first remark after listing his facts and position on the issue. This suggests that race is the leading factor for him.

I am curious as to what people think (or are willing to admit) that this issue is really about.


I will say straight up that for me, it is an issue of racial justice. Are non-white people being discriminated against? Are they not allowed to come here because they are not white? That is the main part of what this issue "is about" for me.


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I think you're going to get different answers from different people on this one. I'm quite sure it IS a matter of plain intolerance to some. For me, however, it's a matter of economics, the rule of law and the slow elimination of the middle-class. If we were geographically above Norway instead of Mexico I'd say the same thing. Unskilled Norwegians flooding across our southern border would be no different.

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for me it has shit to do with color

it has to do with ILLEGAL...come here all you want , join the team so to speak but do it legally

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Exactly. It's nice and simple to ignore the laws you don't agree with, but they are laws nevertheless. At least for now.

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Post number two sums up my feelings.

Not a racial problem for me. I've gotten plenty of racial shit thrown at me before, and believe me, most people that are pissed off about illegal immigrants are not racists, and don't think of this in terms of race. It really does have a lot to do with economics, the middle class, and the rule of law.

O'Reilly is a lot like Buchanan - griping about the "loss of the white majority in areas". Oh no! Them damn hispanics is makin' too many numbers! To people who make that a talking point, I say - So the hell what? As if the color of your skin dictates your thought process? it is ridiculous to make that some sort of main point to rally against illegal immigrants, if that is what happened, and makes the anti-illegal side look bad.

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Just wanted to give the world's look at the issue.

The titles that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) attaches to its operations reveal a great deal about the logic behind current American immigration policy.

Among the most suggestively titled is the ongoing Operation "Return to Sender," one of the largest such operations in American history. The program, supposedly designed to target "fugitive aliens," has resulted in the indiscriminate round up of over 13,000 undocumented migrants in cities throughout the United States.

The cynical name given to this even more cynical operation implies a sender, a receiver—and an object. The object, or rather objects, is migrant workers and their families.

Operation Return to Sender is an instrumentalist policy that ignores the humanity of migrant workers. It refuses to recognize that migrants have hopes and dreams, that they have a legitimate need to eat and think and act. It denies family ties and affective relationships. It also ignores the central role that undocumented workers play in the American economy and the factors that brought them to the country in the first place.



Migrants: Globalization's Junk Mail? - Worldpress.org

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And the question is, are these people supposed to BE here in the first place and how is that indiscriminate to catch people who shouldn't be here?

It ignores these things because they are all irrelevant. You can have all the "humanity" you want back in the country you came from when you entered here illegally.
And the role they play is to fatten the bank accounts of the employers who hire these people while the middle class suffer.

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Yes, what role do they "deserve" in our econmy when they are neither citizens nor legal immigrants? I agree they deserve human rights - the rights not to be tortured or things of that sort, but the same rights as other Americans? What would the point be in being Americans if we granted them those rights?

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Oh boy. Another thread about race. I haven't looked over the "comprehensive" immigration bill that was passed, but this country is getting more and more ridiculous every day. We have laws. When people break the laws they are punished. Sorry about your luck, but that is the way it is, or supposed to be at least. As far as O'reilly, I think the thing that scares him most is that he predicts in a decade or so that hispanics that originated in this country illegally.... their offspring and offspring's offspring, will out number actual American citizens. And to make a long story short, no more "apple pie" or -insert traditional piece of Americana-. Lets say we let all of these people in and the trend continues, the trend being that they out "baby" American citizens. Then what happens when they are old enough to vote? What will they do with our country? Do they understand what this country is about? Will they speak English? Does anyone care if they drastically alter our country?

And then there is his point about having them vote for democrats. I know that to a lot of you guys that sounds like heaven on earth, but for those of us who live by the philosophy of personal responsibility and believe that the money that we trade our time working for is ours, it is not so attractive. To tell you the truth I don't even know what to think anymore. Fuck it I guess. If it gets to where the democrats have unchallenged power and I start to see drastic tax increases I guess I'll move to Australia or something. Hispanic chicks are fricken hot though.

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You see, FRY, I wish O'Reilly would go on further WRT the ideological fear ("will they understand how the country is supposed to go?" etc.)
Instead, when he doesn't, he comes off as a closet racist, much like Pat Buchanan in a lot of ways, when he goes on about this "The hispanics are outnumerbing us, oh no!" and the talk of the end of the culture.

I sometimes wonder about the future WRT illegals and this country. Though my concern is primarily economic and resource oriented, I do see the impacts that this could have WRT philosophy and law enforcement.

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