Should all immigrants in the USA be deported with financial considerations? - Political Forum

USforWhites · 04-03-2007, 11:15 PM

I think that if we could force all those dirty immigrants that want to destroy our culture and economy out of this great nation for $100 I'll be as happy as seeing David Duke become president. President Bush and any future U.S. President should start and maintain a program that'll relocate those crime-mongering nonwhite immigrants back to the country where they came from, whether it be China Hong Kong India whatever. I just don't want them in my country.

I should start a petition.

04-04-2007, 01:27 AM

damn.. I got sunburn on the beach.. now I can't immigrate to US.. because I'd be a nonwhite dirty immigrant.. so sad..

now I have to wait until next molting.

emptypepsi · 04-04-2007, 05:37 PM

No. Mass deportations are not the answer, and it's stupid questions like this that make the intelligent debaters of the pro-law enforcement side look stupid.

top gun · 04-04-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

No. Mass deportations are not the answer, and it's stupid questions like this that make the intelligent debaters of the pro-law enforcement side look stupid.

USforWhites can't be for real. Has to be a kid playing.

You're right pepsi something does need to be done on a serious note. I don't see mass deportations or fences doing the trick either. I've posted my idea before. Make anyone that's not a citizen get a worker or student passport. Fine any business caught hiring anyone without the passport $10,000 to $100,000 per incident. Get caught without a worker or student passport you're charged with a low grade felony & held for court without bail.

I really believe this would slow the illegal immigration to a trickle. What do you think?

emptypepsi · 04-04-2007, 08:25 PM

I think punishing employers for hiring illegally, decreasing social benefits for illegals, while gradually increasing the amount of legal immigrants allowed to enter each year (over the course of a 5-10 year span) would do a lot for the problem. In the meantime, the wall project needs to be ditched and the idea of mass deportations needs to be done away with. Fix the problem relating to why they come, and you'll see much of the problem done away with.

emptypepsi · 04-04-2007, 08:28 PM

As far as who is here already... (inhales) here we go...

Having said that I don't want mass round-ups nor a wall on the border, I will say that I am all for some sort of guest worker-program. Here's the rub and the issue I took with the one proposed last year -- anyone applying needs to leave first before doing so. Otherwise it is blanket amnesty so far as I'm concerned. If a guest-worker plan is indeed effecient, it won't matter from where they apply from. I think this is the closest most will agree to as far as a middle ground, and it would still involve English classes and back-taxes as well.

But, hey - what the hell do I know? : )

top gun · 04-04-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

I think punishing employers for hiring illegally, decreasing social benefits for illegals, while gradually increasing the amount of legal immigrants allowed to enter each year (over the course of a 5-10 year span) would do a lot for the problem. In the meantime, the wall project needs to be ditched and the idea of mass deportations needs to be done away with. Fix the problem relating to why they come, and you'll see much of the problem done away with.

DUDE... you are right on the money! You should run for office on the "Common Sense Ticket!"

africanhope · 04-05-2007, 04:45 AM

Well, that is how it works in Europe, Top Gun, and here in SA. Companies caught (this is SA) employing illegal Immigrants (that is to say, without a workers permit) is fined very heavily, and is not allowed to tender for any government contractts for something like 10 years (this is a law for any company found guilty of breaking labour laws in SA). And guess what, it does not work. It doesn't work here, because of law enforcement, the police state clearly that they have much bigger crimes to fight than this one.

People do not immigrate illegally to a country because they can get jobs there, they do it because there is a slight hope that they can get jobs. And this is only one of the reasons. Here many flee to SA, to escape civil wars, political instability (something like 10% of all Zimbabweans live in SA, if it is not more), etc. etc. etc. I do not know what the reasons is people go to the US, although I would guess these reasons play a role there too. But mostly probably the promise of a better life, and this needs no logic, this law will not take away the image of prosperity, and people will still come.

HAving said this, I am breaking my own rule of - do not critize if you do not have a better idea - as I have no suggestions how to stop this inflow. For SA I think we should do more to insure stabilty and growth in our neighbours, but these epople come all the way from Somalia and Nigeria, so even this will only do very little to stop the massive influx.

emptypepsi · 04-05-2007, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by top gun

DUDE... you are right on the money! You should run for office on the "Common Sense Ticket!"

Ha, thanks. I seriously think that is the only way this will be fixed reasonably. Ron Paul is a former Libertarian cantidate/now Republican who is supporting legislation somewhat like what I have suggested. He's the only decent Republican I've found...look into him. : )

top gun · 04-05-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by africanhope

Well, that is how it works in Europe, Top Gun, and here in SA. Companies caught (this is SA) employing illegal Immigrants (that is to say, without a workers permit) is fined very heavily, and is not allowed to tender for any government contractts for something like 10 years (this is a law for any company found guilty of breaking labour laws in SA). And guess what, it does not work. It doesn't work here, because of law enforcement, the police state clearly that they have much bigger crimes to fight than this one.

People do not immigrate illegally to a country because they can get jobs there, they do it because there is a slight hope that they can get jobs. And this is only one of the reasons. Here many flee to SA, to escape civil wars, political instability (something like 10% of all Zimbabweans live in SA, if it is not more), etc. etc. etc. I do not know what the reasons is people go to the US, although I would guess these reasons play a role there too. But mostly probably the promise of a better life, and this needs no logic, this law will not take away the image of prosperity, and people will still come.

HAving said this, I am breaking my own rule of - do not critize if you do not have a better idea - as I have no suggestions how to stop this inflow. For SA I think we should do more to insure stabilty and growth in our neighbours, but these epople come all the way from Somalia and Nigeria, so even this will only do very little to stop the massive influx.

I appreciate your insight. I also have great sympathy for your people with the civil wars and the killing that has taken place over there.

People do need avenues to immigrate and try to find the best life for themselves. But especially in these times with terrorism and everything else countries have to know who's immigrating and why. There's no way to have a serious immigration policy if you're not willing to heavily penalize employers. I hope America gets on board with this soon.