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Old 09-11-2007, 01:48 PM
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If we had never taken Texas and California from Spain we wouldn't be having these problems
Get your facts straight...they SOLD them to us. And also.. I'm for building a wall. Its the cheapest...one time answer to the problem... and I'm a Dem. I just understand what flooding a country with unskilled or skilled labor does to it when these people will work for much less, are not represented, have no recourse because they are here illegally. I do not feel sorry for them. They chose to invade my house and steel my possessions rather than fix their own.

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Old 11-19-2007, 08:32 AM
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In the early years of America ..everyone coming over to the "New Land" was an immigrant. America was a land of opportunity..with doors open wide. If no one had come from other countries ..more than likely you or I would not be here.. We would be somewhere else: Germany, Italy, Ireland, Poland, etc.

Yes, a consequence of it's time in history, I believe people also owned slaves during this period, I'm sure most do not want this brought back today

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Why is that we have forgotton the struggles of our ancestors and denied this same right to those who are wanting to come to this coutnry with the same hopes our ancestors had????


They fought, in the end, for a nation state, which has, as one of it's main priorities the defence and integrity of borders and upholding laws.
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:54 AM
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Texas and California were not a part of the Lousiana Purchase negotiated between Napolean and Thomas Jefferson. They were a part of the original Mexico. When we declared war against Mexico in the 1840's (after the Alamo attack), a part of the treaty to end the war was that the US got California and Texas.

I hate to see racism cloud the issue of illegal immigration. I have nothing against the most Latino Americans I have met. My issue with illegal immigrants is simply that US taxpayers can't foot the bill for their use of our educational system, medical system, social services. I am for putting legal immigration within reach of people that would be good US citizens, but have expectations that need to be met, such as learning to speak English.

And back in the 1840's the Potato Famine hit Ireland. There was a mass migration of "Micks" to America as an alternative to starvation. We were greeted with extreme racism, and then the Irish filled the ranks of both the North and South in the Civil War. This included the battle of Fredericksburg when the confederate Cobb's Brigade (Irish) held the stonewall on the heights outside the town against the Maine "Blackhats" (Irish) and Boston brigades (mostly Irish) on what was once a corn field planted to export to help the Irish survive the famine.

We survived and integrated into American society. It can be done and it can be done again.

Curious, you use "we", but have an American flag?

Anyways, the Irish did indeed integrate, however they did not bring with them demands to speak in Irish Gaelic nor did they have notions of coming to a land which is "rightfully theirs" anyway, in some sort of mass attempt at reconequesting land which was LEGALLY given away, whether in treaty or for money
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:30 PM
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Texas and California were not a part of the Lousiana Purchase negotiated between Napolean and Thomas Jefferson. They were a part of the original Mexico. When we declared war against Mexico in the 1840's (after the Alamo attack), a part of the treaty to end the war was that the US got California and Texas.
The treaty didn't include Texas, it was only Arizona, New mexico, and California (which we did pay for, but dirt cheap). Texas (leading up to the Alamo) declared independence from Mexico and Mexico fought to get Texas back, in turn killing a lot of US people, so the US declared war on Mexico. Texas, years later (I can't remember how many) joined the US. But for several years, Texas was it's own nation for awhile.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:32 PM
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I dont think there was an Immigration law to start: was there?
The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 are the first immigration laws I think.
Alien and Sedition Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were comprised of four separate laws:

1. The Naturalization Act (official title: An Act to Establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization) extended the duration of residence required for aliens to become citizens, from five years to fourteen. Enacted June 18, 1798, with no expiration date, it was repealed in 1802.
2. The Alien Friends Act (official title: An Act Concerning Aliens) authorized the president to deport any resident alien considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States." These acts were created in fear of French sympathizers. At the time, war was considered likely between the US and Revolutionary France. Enacted June 25, 1798, with a two year expiration date.
3. The Alien Enemies Act (official title: An Act Respecting Alien Enemies) authorized the president to apprehend and deport resident aliens if their home countries were at war with the United States. Enacted July 6, 1798, with no expiration date, it remains in effect today as 50 U.S.C. § 21-24.
4. The Sedition Act (official title: An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials. Enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801.

America has a long tradition of regulating it's immigration. We have never had "Open Borders". Even in periods where there wasn't the paperwork that there is today, there were fairly strict rules. Anyone with a disease of physical defect was turned away, as well as many other restrictions.

At many times in our history we also had quotas to cap the number of immigrants allowed in from any one nation in a given period of time.

So yes, the US and the Land it now covers is founded by immigrants. Even the Amerindian tribes immigrated here a very long time ago. But immigration has always been regulated. In our advanced society of today, especially with all the welfare programs, open immigration would be catastrophic for our nation. Turning immigrants away who are undesirable is not un-American, it is Pro American, for it promotes the American quality of life.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:23 PM
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In the early years of America ..everyone coming over to the "New Land" was an immigrant. America was a land of opportunity..with doors open wide. If no one had come from other countries ..more than likely you or I would not be here.. We would be somewhere else: Germany, Italy, Ireland, Poland, etc.

Why is that we have forgotton the struggles of our ancestors and denied this same right to those who are wanting to come to this coutnry with the same hopes our ancestors had????
The most immigrants came from germany to usa.
And today you hve many biethic marries like germans and english people ver often.
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