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03-15-2008, 07:31 AM
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And that is their right. It is like your home, why can't I just come one in, and sleep in your bedroom, and live in your house for a while. You have the right to decide whom to have as a guest in your home, so can they.
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You can't compare a private home which belongs to one individual or to a few individuals to a state which belongs to many people. It's not the same thing. On a smaller scale you have no immigration, or concept of over population, and limited resources. Also ownership is not the same as sovereignty. Ownership is economic and sovereignty is political.
The Canadian immigration laws are elitist and discriminatory. They discriminate against poor people who don't enough money and also against nontalented people who don't have special skills and advanced degrees.
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03-15-2008, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pluto
The Canadian immigration laws are elitist and discriminatory. They discriminate against poor people who don't enough money and also against nontalented people who don't have special skills and advanced degrees.
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Sounds just fine to me. A developed country like Canada should not allow people immigrating if they will not contribute to their society but only want to get the benefits and welfare assistance.
Why should they?
While you call them "elitist and discriminatory", I prefer to call them basically logic and honest towards their citizens.
BTW, Canada is, as far as I know not that difficult for immigrants with some skills. Try Hong Kong and then... just forget Hong Kong!
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04-04-2008, 09:29 AM
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Sounds just fine to me. A developed country like Canada should not allow people immigrating if they will not contribute to their society but only want to get the benefits and welfare assistance. Why should they?
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Well, to me it doesn't sound fine. Canada should let everyone in their country, not just the rich and talented. Canada's immigration policies are discriminatory and greedy.
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04-04-2008, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pluto
Well, to me it doesn't sound fine. Canada should let everyone in their country, not just the rich and talented. Canada's immigration policies are discriminatory and greedy.
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So you're a marxist anarchist? How did that work for the Soviet Union?
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04-04-2008, 01:34 PM
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So you're a marxist anarchist? How did that work for the Soviet Union?
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Well the Soviet Union adopted a very mutated form of Marxism and was further altered by a man with some sort of inferiority complex which he compensated for by killing people. Either way though, we can't take in everyone, so we only take in the best. I don't like it, it's inhuman to me, but it is a sad reality we can't let everyone who wants to come into our country in.
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04-05-2008, 07:01 PM
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They discriminate against poor people who don't enough money and also against nontalented people who don't have special skills and advanced degrees.
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do you know what non-talented poor people end up as when the immigrate to another country? POOR UNTALENTED PEOPLE WHO DONT DO A DAM THING, except suck up resorses that others need. maybe because you wern't excepted into you should take that as a hint that they think you are an untalented who will not contribute to thier society, maybe its a hint you should better your self before you arroganlty think the world is your playground.
i know that all sounds insulting, but since this thread is the spawn of your rejection into canada it had to be said.
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04-05-2008, 07:46 PM
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Well, to me it doesn't sound fine. Canada should let everyone in their country, not just the rich and talented. Canada's immigration policies are discriminatory and greedy.
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The policies do what they are meant to do, they put Canada and Canadians first. Canada is a welfare state, which means that if they accept low skilled laborers into their country, the standard of living of everyone will drop, as the citizens will have to subsidize the new immigrant. Why should Canadians suffer for you?
It's simple economics. The Canadian welfare state pays a set amount of fee's per person for education, health care, retirement, infrastructure costs for increase in population, etc. If a persons economic benefit to the state is lower than these costs they incur, that person is a drain on society. Low skilled laborers tend to fall into this category.
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04-06-2008, 06:59 AM
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As far as I know, it isn't so difficult to immigrate legally to Canada - I think it is easier than to immigrate to US or Australia. You just need a spouse, both have university education and I think at least 2 years of experience - that is quite easy to meet I would say. Theoretically you could also be single, but then would need to get necessary points in some other area.
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04-06-2008, 03:32 PM
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Well, to me it doesn't sound fine. Canada should let everyone in their country, not just the rich and talented. Canada's immigration policies are discriminatory and greedy.
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Why do marxist anarchist wannabe whiners ALWAYS turn out to be no talent losers? They believe somehow that they deserve to be taken care of by those with more talent? Hint: go to school and get some sort of job skill which will undoubtedly enable you to want to move beyond being a marxist anarchist wannabe.
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04-09-2008, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Future Leader
except suck up resorses that others need.
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So what? They need these resources too and they have equal right to it.
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maybe because you wern't excepted into you should take that as a hint that they think you are an untalented who will not contribute to thier society
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But who cares what they think about me? Their opinion about me is worthless. The opinion of a greedy conservative is worthless.
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maybe its a hint you should better your self before you arroganlty think the world is your playground.
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I didn't say the world is my playground. I am already good enough at what i do so i don't need to prove anything to anyone. They are the arrogant and greedy ones in this case.
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Either way though, we can't take in everyone, so we only take in the best. I don't like it, it's inhuman to me, but it is a sad reality we can't let everyone who wants to come into our country in.
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We live on a finite planet, with finite resources. It may surprise you, but you actually won the "lucky sperm" contest to be born in a wealthy country. Much of the world's population live in countries that we call "poor". This means that people in these countries suffer. But there is a solution for them, they can immigrate to nicer places. Unfortunately, the nicer places are only a fraction of all the places - this means that there are billions of people that would immigrate if they could. You cannot support all without making everyone poor. But you could still let some 1 billion people in your country if you divide your resources (and Canada has plenty) equally but this means that the rich and powerful will have to give some of their resources to the poor.
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