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This is a pretty tough blow the whole "Illegal aliens do jobs that American Citizens dont' want to do" arguement, which I pretty much thought was BS to begin with.

I think the employers were the ones making the case for the illegals.

Something like this proves it's B.S.

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Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.

We have a brocolli industry up here that relies heavily on documented workers. They tried local help, but it is back breaking work. It's piece work, so the harder they work, the more they make.I guess the locals didn't think it was worth the effort.

The workers they brought in are hard workers, I'll give them that. I think they appreciate the opportunity to work more than we do.

The bigger companies make out good with illegals because they don't have to pay the benefits we would get, and they don't bitch about working conditions.

If the government would get off their ass and enforce immigration laws we wouldn't have this problem.

Where agriculture related work is concerned, I think the employers have a point.

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"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.

Although honest work, veggie picking has become synonymous with "loser" in our society and has been that way for some time. The derisive term "stoop labor" which has been around for decades comes immediately to mind. I figure illegals, who had to be desperate just to sneak in here, have no such bias.

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Great news. It's a pitiful, weak argument and I'm tired of having to argue it down back to reality for people. I hope this can help put it to rest.

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Were you responding to me? If so, I wasn't on the side of illegals. I was just saying it was honest work, honest work that a LOT of able-bodied people who receive government assistance should be doing INSTEAD of illegal immigrants.
Or barring that, institute a form of draft where people coming out of High School (who don't enter College) serve one year doing jobs that the illegals do. They of course would be paid and exemptions would be on a case by case basis. That's a lot of people and, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics "Of the 2.7 million youth who graduated from high school between October
2004 and October 2005, 1.8 million (68.6 percent) were attending college in
October 2005." that is still over a million people per year.

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Sounds good to me, and maybe not make it REQUIRED but it could be made to look well on college applications the same as say, community service perhaps.

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"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."
Isaac Asimov

I just finished watching "Tom Brokaw Reports: In The Shadow of the American Dream". It was pretty interesting, and wasn't as biased as I had read people thought it would be (on the internet before the show) HERE IS ONE SUCH LINK

He presented both sides of the opinion on the subject, IMO.

But, since I don't know the official "stats", all I can give is my opinion of what I have seen. These people, in my local area, come and do work from sun-up to sun-down, no matter what the weather, are reliable, cause no problems in the area, keep to themselves, contribute to the local economy, and do these jobs that no one else will do. This is an agricultural area, too, always has been. They live in squalid conditions in trailers with no running water, or electricity in small trailers provided them by the employer. Then when the season is over, they leave. You see mostly the same ones back each year to the same employer, and I don't know how many are documented or undocumented.
BUT...
I also understand the toll it takes on the American people as a whole, (the undocumented worker). It is going to be a hard thing for us to fix. There is no easy way out. There are so many different things that have been tried and failed.

I see a major difference between the illegal immigrant problem we have today and when people came through Ellis Island in earlier years. My grandfather came here from a very poor family in Italy. He arrived at the age of 14, to go live with an aunt (a legal alien). He worked for the same company for 63 years. The difference between him and the illegal immigrants the U.S is dealing with today is that he did not ever "expect" that people were going to conform to his language. They didn't write any owners manuals in Italian to help him keep his language. The schools didn't teach his children to read nad write in Italian. He and how many others conformed to become "Americans"? Isn't that what it is all about? Live in our country, speak our language, pay your taxes, contribute, so on so goes. But, how many things are done to help keep the Spanish language in our country? This is just one of the many areas where we need to stop trying to be so politically correct, and tell everyone to get with it. If you want to be an American, do it legally and conform to the American way of life.

The immigrants from Ellis Island expected a new life. They expected to learn a new language and hoped to have freedom unlike any they had known before.
Now our country is so weak that we try to conform to all the immigrants, their cultures, religions and their languages.
Legals and illegals who want to change our culture, religious beliefs, want a theocracy, want us to speak their language and adapt to their life should not be welcome here. We are a democracy for heavens sake!
Our work ethic is not what it used to be, however with respect and decent wages I feel there are plenty of legal immigrants and just plain English speaking Americans who would do this physically difficult work.

It's never been an issue of these people not wanting to work, that's for sure. If someone offered you, say, 45$ per hour to do tough manual labor you can bet you'd be HAPPY to do it. I figure this is what their 10$ an hour seems like to them.
I believe most people who are against illegal immigrants don't actually hate the people themselves, or at least I don't. They are usually good, honest and hard working people. What I hate is the way politicians use the issue as a tool to get votes by whoring themselves out to the businesses (contributors) who HIRE these people.
Immigration isn't a problem when regulated. I don't want millions of illegals streaming over the border any more than I would appreciate 20 people pitching tents in my back yard.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.