Curious to know who supports the policy of allowing illegal immagrints to have driver's licence's? Who supports making them register and paying taxes like the rest of americans? Who supports sending them all back where they came from and making them follow the channels legaly to come into this country? Who is digusted that 11 million are here in this country working or not and recieving benifits such as food stamps, unemployment, and other programs that should be for the tax payer only? Who supports making business acountable for hiring illegals? There are a lot of questions here and would like to know how this country really feels about these issues.
I am in no way sugesting that people of all walks of life are not entilted to the pursuit of happines and realize that this country was founded on immagrints but those immagrints followed rules and made this country what it is today. I am simply trying to hear what everyone thinks about this issue.

Yeah, and those immigrants spoke English (from England). Those ones.

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Here are some of the answers to knowlege's questions. He/she indicates considerable resentment of illegal immigrants (IIs). I hope my information lead to at least some moderation of that view.

"Who supports the policy of allowing illegal immagrints to have driver's licences?"
Over a million IIs were driving automobiles in California without driver's licences which they were not allowed to obtain. The law also prevented them from insuring their vehicles. Public safety was so reduced by these restrictions that police and other authorities demanded passage of a law requiring (not "allowing") licences for the IIs.

"Who is disgusted that 11 million are in this country working or not and recieving binifits such as food stamps, unemployment and other programs that should be for the tax payer only?"
The people most disgusted generally are the people least informed. Few of them realize that: (1) the vast majority of IIs hold jobs and are not unwilling to work; (2) more than half of them work "on the books" and therefore pay Federal taxes averaging over $4,000 per household and totaling 7 billion dollars per year.

It's not so far fetched to remind ourselves of this: Mexican IIs in California could justifiably pin the II label on us. In a way, they are returning to their homeland, land that we forced them at gunpoint to sell to us for a pittance!

Im living in Germany, and there we have a very big problem with immigrants.
Our problem is the EU. Everyone who lives in a EU state like Poland can come too Germany. So we have a big problem with the polish people, they steal cars and sell them to Russians; thats no problem, because the borders are almost open. They also bring drugs from Russia to Germany, that isnt a proplem either.
But the biggest Problem are the Turks.
They are about 3. Million Turks. (Germany has about 82 Million people, 67 are Germans.)Many of them dont work, very many are criminal, and they build their Moschees every where, even if the peole in the city dont want this building. But the state is very pro-turk and against every patriotism. (It sounds sick, but its the truth.)
There are parts of Munich Hamburg and Berlin, where you cant go if your German.
That Turkgangsters shout in the streets fucking German is normal, if you say something against Turks your ass is going to the jail.

Immigrate to Germany isnt very difficult. They take everyone, being thrown out of the country is almost impossible, you really need to be a big time gangster to get thrown out of Germany.
We dont have a problem with illegal immigrants, being a illegal immigrant is in Germany almost immposible.

Right and they took the land from Spain, who took it from native Indians, who took it from the wild animals living there before them, who took it from other animals, etc.

All land in this world has been taken by conquest. The La Raza movement is trying to reconquest the southwest not through war, but immigration. We have a right to fight back. It's not their land, it's ours.

Illegal immigration is terrible for working class Americans. It lowers their wages, reduces the number of jobs available, strains government services, over flows our county hospitals and public schools. The only Americans benefiting are the companies that get workers for practically nothing an hour.

We shouldn't give illegals drivers licenses, we should enforce the law. If one is pulled over driving without a license, deport them.

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I guess this is a cause for Germany's record emigration levels to Australia and other countries.

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In a previous posting I presented some facts to knowledge, who is a potential opponent of immigration, to help him/her to see both sides of the controversy. I also reminded him/her of how we took California away from Mexico. So, what have I accomplished? Only (stony?) silence from knowledge. And, a summons to fight the immigrants from Caltex, a fervent immigration opponent. He is worried about an alleged plot underway " ---to reconquest the southwest (portion of the U.S.) not through war but immigration".

We do-gooders never stop trying, so now I'll preach to Caltex.

In a hopefullyjudicious manner, I have compared the accusations and defenses of the principal parties involved in this alleged plot. I considered their reputations, purposes, and accomplishments, and, as best I could, their motivations. Now, if this were a court and I the judge, I would scold the defendent (a nonprofit civil rights group called National Council of La Raza) for minor transgressions (intemperate language) but I would exonerate it from criminal charges. And, to the best of my ability, I would expose the hypccrisy and unethical conduct of the leading accusers.

I'm old enough to remember a whole lot of conspiracy theories: how they scared people into unwise actions; and how exaggerated or nonexistent they turned out to be. I remember how completely my dad, an intelligent and educated man, believed the lies of Joseph McCarthy about Communist "plots". Dad became so absorbed with that subject that he lost the great interest he previously had in our nation's real problems at that time. That's the worst part about these theories; they distract us from dealing with the real problems.

Are you a lawyer or something or did you purposefully try to obscure your statements with legal jargon?

I'm referring to the masses who are loyal to Mexico and residing in the United States. To all the people who follow the statement made by the President of Mexico Felipe Calderón "“I have said that Mexico does not stop at its border, that wherever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico,”.

There is no "conspiracy theory", it is a fact that many Mexicans feel they have every right to illegally come into the south west, set up camp, ignore our laws, and do not respect the sovereignty of the United States. The Mexican President being one of them. It is often referred to as the "La Raza" movement.

On the unrelated topic, obviously McCarthy went over board and demagogued for political gain, but there was some truth in it all. The soviets did infiltrate the U.S. government. They stole the technology for making Nuclear weapons by doing so. The Soviet's had infiltrated our government pretty damn far if the were able to steal nuclear technology.

My opposition to illegal immigration is not so much about the worry that they will take it over, as those illegals are a minority. I'm more worried about their leaching off of government programs, stressing our infrastructure, the side effects they create in lowering the job quality available for lower class Americans, and the illegals total disregard for United States law.

We should give all Americans the opportunity for employment at a decent wage before we worry about letting immigrants in for the jobs, who will in turn flood the unskilled labor market, driving up unemployment and driving down the wages. Some inner cities run over 40% unemployment.

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Might as well give them legal status, it is very confusing as to how the US is solving their illigal immigration situation.

The problem is the US government don't seem to have a clear comprehensive policy in regards to immigration.

IMO, illigal immigration have to be resolve and it has to start somewhere, right now many undocumented immigrants are already too establish into the US society and to remove them will create a tremendous humanitarian crisis and social shock.

One way to proceed is to set a cut off date, maybe start cut off date 2006 all illigals that arrive after 2006 are subject to deportation. All those before 2006 will have to be process for eligibility for legalization and this mean that they must proove that they have been productive, constructive, no criminal records, not involve in criminal activities, not involve with terrorism, have exhibited strong sign of integration and believing in the American way ( very important ).

Employers full cooperation will be needed in order for this to be effective and for future control of immigration will to be a success. Plus a centralised computer system to monitor the use of social security cards that will identify any unauthorize use.

Technology will have to be there not relaying on man power, with proper technology in place Immigration Officers can easily enforce immigration laws.

I have this feeling that it seem that somehow the USA is allowing illigal immigration to go on indefinitely, why I don't know?

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