George Berkely

May I ask for your "solution" no inference intended

atheistwoody

With response to the comments made by King Friedrich above.

I believe the estimated figure is that 70% of immigrants that enter your country do so only as a transit. This 70% then goes to France where 10% decides to stay, so the figure then goes down to 60%. It is this 60% that come to the UK.

Im going to make a statement now which you all should think really hard about and that IS going to happen.

The mood is changing in Britain. We the people are getting increasingly more annoyed with our governments and their failed policy with regards to crime and immigration. I can guarrentee that within 15 years there will be civil war in the UK.

bododie

Aside from the fact that this isn't Mexican territory anymore, regardless of how it transpired, the problem is with breaking the law and lack of honor, not nationality. The only problem I have with nationality is when I see on the news that some Mexican woman in San Bernardino is waving the Mexican flag on American soil, and stomping on a burning American flag. Then these same people have the total lack of honor to piss and moan about "racism". Tell, me, was this person thumbing her nose at Mexicans in America? Is this the Mexican way of assimilating? If you think so, then I humbly apologize for my misinterpretation.

Idontknow

Caltex.. say that immigrants are taking the jobs from American born.. . but he seem to miss the fact that the labor that immigrants do aren't well pay and are jobs that american wont want. For example i assume that some of you have heard the news from NY... all those that fall scalfoids are immigrants that werent well appid, now tell me would ypu take a job similar to that one... or worse?.. i mean .... as my user name said idontknow alot...

Yarn

It is rather obvious that the US economy is now for better or worse greatly addicted to illegal labour. Anything other than amnesty would have a negative economic impact on the economy. We have 12 million illegal workers in the US who know how to do their jobs. Deporting them and importing a new work force via a guest worker program, would cause a substantial disturbance as businesses would have to hire and train a massive workforce in a very small amount of time.

The economy has expanded to fit 12 million illegals, and it cannot lose them without lastingly imploding. If we want to deny them social services, then fine, but since they are economically a part of us, we can't eleminate them without stabbing ourselves.

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Caltex

There are no jobs that Americans will not do. There are only jobs that Americans won't do for the amount of pay that the market pays at this moment.

A huge influx of low skilled immigrants floods the low skilled labor market with supply. Because demand does not increase at the same rate the supply has, the supply-demand curve shifts, and the pay offered will be lower. As a result Americans won't take the job, and the desperate illegals take it.

If we restricted the influx of low skilled labor, the supply would be smaller, resulting in higher pay for said jobs, and there would be plenty of poor Americans to take the jobs. We do not have a shortage of low skilled labor in this country, there is huge unemployment in the inner cities, and among the indigenous Black population. We have plenty of people who would take the jobs if only the pay was better. Restricting the illegal immigration would solve this.

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Yarn

There are no jobs that Americans will not do. There are only jobs that Americans won't do for the amount of pay that the market pays at this moment.

And in many cases that the market can pay and at the same time remain profitable. A lot of industry would simply be destroyed between a rock and hard place, being much necessary labour would be too expensive for sales to cover.

This is fairly simple. The economy has expanded to fit the illegal populace, and cannot lose 12 million workers without imploding. The pie would shrink, as well as be more narrowly distributed. It would shrink further than it would be if the illegal population had never existed, because of the cost readjustment and investor psychology. In the long run many jobs would just be gone for good, and some would improve-at the expense of the consumer, though that may be exceptable.

Globalization is a force of equalization being that it sends money from where it is worth the least to where it is worth the most. Those who, unlike myself, are more nationalist than humanitarian may like to preserve a world where lavish superflous luxory exists concurrently with 16,000 people a year starving to death, but I cannot relate that. I therefore don't really have an objection to poor Mexicans siphoning off US wealth-though as I have already related, things aren't that simple. As Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are fond of saying in their respective ways, we are all tied together.

My biggest objection to globalization, is that the global obssession with growth will lead to horrible catastrophes unless the problems of pollution and dependence on finite resources are confronted. Only governments can confront such demons at present, but they won't because of the immaturity of most those who are sovereign.

A huge influx of low skilled immigrants floods the low skilled labor market with supply. Because demand does not increase at the same rate the supply has, the supply-demand curve shifts, and the pay offered will be lower. As a result Americans won't take the job, and the desperate illegals take it.

Actually more supply decreases price, which almost instantaneously produces more demand.

If we restricted the influx of low skilled labor, the supply would be smaller, resulting in higher pay for said jobs, and there would be plenty of poor Americans to take the jobs. We do not have a shortage of low skilled labor in this country, there is huge unemployment in the inner cities, and among the indigenous Black population. We have plenty of people who would take the jobs if only the pay was better. Restricting the illegal immigration would solve this.

What percentage of the unemployed are black? What percentage of the illegal's jobs are located near eligible black populations? How many eligible blacks would be willing to move? Is there any fall out in productivity as a consequence of more traumatic upbringing?

Your on to something, but I don't think our poor can take up all the slack. They can take up some of it, and our immigration policies ought to take that into account, but as McCain has said, amnesty and strong enforcement allows us to take in just as many as we'd like and not much more. Few are pushing for amnesty to be given to all 12 million. Many want only the portion of the 12 million which has been here for more than a few years, has behaved itself, etc, etc.

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Caltex

You have the supply-demand labor market mixed up. In the labor market the Firms are the demand, the workers are the supply. When you increase the number of workers (the supply), and employment offered by the firms (the Demand) does not increase, the pay for the workers goes down.



The unemployment rate for Black's in America stands at 9.4% as of January 2008. Compared to the national numbers of 4.8% as of December 2007. But this issue really isn't about race, it's about the low skilled labor supply in the United States, and their hardship caused by the massive immigrant influx.
Table A-2. Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age
United States Unemployment data

The really bad numbers come when we look at unemployment rates in the inner cities.
The Young Face of Inner City Unemployment - New York Times

The fact is there are more than enough low skilled laborers, and people on welfare in this country to fulfill the needs of all the business's seeking low skilled labor. It's just that an influx of illegal aliens, who are so desperate that they work for slave wages, effectively kills the opportunity for Americans, and keeps the wages artificially low. I imagine native Americans see the crazy low wages and just resign to unemployment, where they can live off the public dole.

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Yarn

You have the supply-demand labor market mixed up. In the labor market the Firms are the demand, the workers are the supply. When you increase the number of workers (the supply), and employment offered by the firms (the Demand) does not increase, the pay for the workers goes down.

Investment reacts almost instantanously. If a firm can afford more workers, then it will either continue to hire the same amount, or will hire more. In broad economic terms, that means more jobs, though it does not necessarily mean more spent on paying workers. Meanwhile, cheaper labour means cheaper products, which means greater demand for products, though that is a delayed effect.

The unemployment rate for Black's in America stands at 9.4% as of January 2008. Compared to the national numbers of 4.8% as of December 2007. But this issue really isn't about race, it's about the low skilled labor supply in the United States, and their hardship caused by the massive immigrant influx.

If the illegal immigrants were exported, many jobs would dissapear, industry would be injured, investment would decline, we'd get a recession or worse, and eventually we'd rebound and the jobs which didn't get eliminated by economic necessity would pay better and go to legal inhabitants. Prices would permenantly reflect the increased cost of labour. Most Americans would be worse off, especially in the short to mid term, and some of the most needy Americans would end up somewhat better off. Mexicans would get screwed.

How is this picture so inviting?

Surely there better ways we could improve the lot of our poor.

The fact is there are more than enough low skilled laborers, and people on welfare in this country to fulfill the needs of all the business's seeking low skilled labor. It's just that an influx of illegal aliens, who are so desperate that they work for slave wages, effectively kills the opportunity for Americans, and keeps the wages artificially low. I imagine native Americans see the crazy low wages and just resign to unemployment, where they can live off the public dole

I have substantial experience with competent native Americans failing to fill positions which require no formal education, which dispense decent middle class pay. These positions weren't inner city ones, but it kind of reflects the futility of this plan, if the unemployed won't move to where there is employment.

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jff.law

probably they can get fake documents

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