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02-16-2008, 10:10 PM
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The problem is the US government don't seem to have a clear comprehensive policy in regards to immigration.
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We have immigration laws, they are not enforced. If they are illegal, send them back.
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02-17-2008, 02:40 AM
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It's not so far fetched to remind ourselves of this: Mexican IIs in California could justifiably pin the II label on us. In a way, they are returning to their homeland, land that we forced them at gunpoint to sell to us for a pittance!
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i dont see how you can even call II an act of "returning to thier home land" seeing how the mexican home land is MEXICO, and be "we" ur probaly reffering to the US, well "we" didnt take california from mexico, THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA DID. and we didnt buy california, california joined the US 10 days after the revolution (i would know cause i live in california). also in texas they had a revolution against mexico, tho they waited like 10 years or so until they joined i cant remember.
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02-18-2008, 04:02 AM
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Might as well give them legal status, it is very confusing as to how the US is solving their illigal immigration situation.
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One way to proceed is to set a cut off date, maybe start cut off date 2006 all illigals that arrive after 2006 are subject to deportation. All those before 2006 will have to be process for eligibility for legalization and this mean that they must proove that they have been productive, constructive, no criminal records, not involve in criminal activities, not involve with terrorism, have exhibited strong sign of integration and believing in the American way ( very important )..
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And how the hell do we determine the date that these so-called, Illegal Immigrants got here? How would we know that this guy* got here on November 22, 2004...we don't document each illegal immigrant do we? I didn't think so, which is why we only have estimates when it comes to the amount of illegal immigrants in the country.
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Employers full cooperation will be needed in order for this to be effective and for future control of immigration will to be a success. Plus a centralised computer system to monitor the use of social security cards that will identify any unauthorize use.
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We should make this simple. Simplex is America's middle name. Why the need for green cards if we can just deport the ones who are not supposed to be here? Employers aren't interested in enforcing laws and regulations, they're only interested in profit gains!
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I say we make America such a poor country that Americans would rather emigrate from America than Mexicans from Mexico. Thus our illegal immigration problem would be resolved.  
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02-19-2008, 07:14 AM
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We have immigration laws, they are not enforced. If they are illegal, send them back.
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Disallowing immigration is clearly based on government greed. Why isn't it possible to let everyone live in the country he wants?
In my opinion the best would be to let everyone be where he wants. After all most of those who immigrate to the US and Canada do so because they are poor. They immigrate to rich countries because there they could have a better life and prosper. The best would be to abolish the government. Government is greedy. Government is nothing more than a tool for oppression, domination and control of other people. Government oppresses the third world and other poor people by not letting them to immigrate into richer countries where they could have a higher standard of living and better life. States or goverments also don't know how to be more equal with other states. Some states like Russia and Canada appropriated and control more land than other states like Israel and Lebanon. This exploits the people of smaller states who don't have access to more land and freedom.
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02-20-2008, 12:34 AM
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Disallowing immigration is clearly based on government greed.
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actually corperations make more money off immigration, especialy illegal immigration.
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Why isn't it possible to let everyone live in the country he wants?
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because it would create massive culture shifts, like if every mexican came to america then thier culture would flood ours and then we would be another mexico.
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most of those who immigrate to the US and Canada do so because they are poor. They immigrate to rich countries because there they could have a better life and prosper.
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thats why they come, but do they really prosper? i guess an american dish washer makes more money then a mexican one.
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The best would be to abolish the government. Government is greedy. Government oppresses the third world and other poor people by not letting them to immigrate into richer countries where they could have a higher standard of living and better life.
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wait wait, are you saying because of a failed immigration policy we should disban the government? and we dont oppress people by stoping thier immigration, the government that makes people want to immigrate is the oppresive one. and instead of just declaring anarchism, why not have a revolution? be the change you want to see in the world ~ Ghandi
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States or goverments also don't know how to be more equal with other states. Some states like Russia and Canada appropriated and control more land than other states like Israel and Lebanon. This exploits the people of smaller states who don't have access to more land and freedom.
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what a shock, bigger countries are stonger then little ones. are you saying that countries should just give away thier land because little countries are butt hurt about their plot? you're starting to sound a bit like a communist, no governtment, every thing equal.
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02-20-2008, 07:29 AM
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wait wait, are you saying because of a failed immigration policy we should disban the government? and we dont oppress people by stoping thier immigration, the government that makes people want to immigrate is the oppresive one.
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Both kinds of governments are oppressive: The kind that doesn't allow poor people to immigrate and the kind that makes people want to immigrate from their home countries. Government is by definition oppressive. It's the very nature of government.
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what a shock, bigger countries are stonger then little ones. are you saying that countries should just give away thier land because little countries are butt hurt about their plot? you're starting to sound a bit like a communist, no governtment, every thing equal.
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I'm an anarchist-communist I prefer no government. No one has the right to control and dominate another. Russia and Canada should give away their land and share it with smaller and weaker countries that don't have much land. Not having access to more land takes away people's freedom. Land management by governments is naturally unequal simply because governments don't know how to be equal, and certainly not with each other.
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02-20-2008, 06:07 PM
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I'm an anarchist-communist I prefer no government. No one has the right to control and dominate another. Russia and Canada should give away their land and share it with smaller and weaker countries that don't have much land. Not having access to more land takes away people's freedom. Land management by governments is naturally unequal simply because governments don't know how to be equal, and certainly not with each other.
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and let me guess, the people living in the land that you want given away dont get a say into witch country they want to be part of? maybe they dont want to join another country?
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02-21-2008, 04:25 PM
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For all those people who oppose immigration (legal or illegal) I'd like to how many of you support corporate tax evasion.
I know which is the lesser of 2 'evils'.
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02-21-2008, 10:10 PM
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I'd like to how many of you support corporate tax evasion.
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or you can make a new thread in the econ section to find that out, so unless corporate tax evasion has any relivance to illigal immigration, go do that
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02-22-2008, 04:48 AM
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Im not sure if any Brits have posted yet on this page, but here goes anyway.
I for the record am not against immigration. I appreciate that Britain would not be the nation its if it wasnt for the fact we have been mixed with so many other strong nations and people in the past.
I am however against mass immigration, especially those from cultures we do not integrate well with ours. I would have no problem whatsoever with thousands of french, german, italian, american, canadian, australian etc people coming here. As they could live here perfectly well without us needing to change a thing to accomodate them.
I have problems with thousands per month of people coming from Africa, Eastern Europe and the Middle-east. Their cultures do not mix well with the wests and inevitably will lead to trouble, especially in the case of Islam. In my opinion this country would be alot better without Islam here.
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