Having fun with Bush....is it fair? - Political Forum

Purple Tang · 07-12-2007, 09:12 PM

There are still a few people (over a dozen I think) who get offended when the Bush/Cheney cabal gets slammed.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

I have no idea why people are upset. He is our duly elected leader after all. Right?

Aegis · 07-12-2007, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Tang

There are still a few people (over a dozen I think) who get offended when the Bush/Cheney cabal gets slammed.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

I have no idea why people are upset. He is our duly elected leader after all. Right?

Bush is an elected official. In this country our elected officials are subject to criticism, no matter how unfounded or outrageous. No big deal. I'm certain that he doesn't loose sleep over the ramblings and rants of cranks and loosers.

Purple Tang · 07-12-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegis

Bush is an elected official. In this country our elected officials are subject to criticism, no matter how unfounded or outrageous. No big deal. I'm certain that he doesn't loose sleep over the ramblings and rants of cranks and loosers.

How much do you get paid for defending his police state and attempts at fascism? Seriously?

Don't bother with my files. There are over 50,000 pages. Nothing to add. I get updates almost daily from my sources.

Rick · 07-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Tang

There are still a few people (over a dozen I think) who get offended when the Bush/Cheney cabal gets slammed.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

I have no idea why people are upset. He is our duly elected leader after all. Right?

I'm no fan of Bush, but probably for other reasons than you are. Can you give examples with credible sources of the above?

Aegis · 07-13-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Tang

How much do you get paid for defending his police state and attempts at fascism? Seriously?

Don't bother with my files. There are over 50,000 pages. Nothing to add. I get updates almost daily from my sources.

Do you call them "The X Files?" You seem rather like some conspiracy buff. Oh well, everyone needs a hobby, even factually challenged liberals.

Kazikli Bey · 08-11-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Tang

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

You guys actually don't believe Tang when he says this, he may be a liberal but you other guys are definitely naive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Tang

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

Don't think it's just Americans that this can be done to, David Hicks spent 5 years in Guantanamo without being charged, it was only pressure from the Hicks Family and the Australian public that finally got him out of there, that and an upcoming election for Johnny Howard.

Aegis · 08-11-2007, 08:34 PM

[quote=rodog;61604]

Quote:

A leader who does not fear his people enough to change his indecisions might as well be a dictator

How does someone "change indecisions?" Why becoming decisive, of course. President Bush has been very decisive in his foreign and domestic policies.

Kazikli Bey · 08-11-2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aegis

How does someone "change indecisions?" Why becoming decisive, of course. President Bush has been very decisive in his foreign and domestic policies.

Yeah, no matter how stupid the decisions are, he's quite decisive as to how he wants them carried out.

Kazikli Bey · 08-11-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodog

The fact that he doesn't seem to care what ANYONE thinks is part of a problem A leader who does not fear his people enough to change his indecisions might as well be a dictator.

No, they might as well be an idiot or be lining their own pockets, or in Bush's case, both.

Aegis · 08-11-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazikli Bey

Yeah, no matter how stupid the decisions are, he's quite decisive as to how he wants them carried out.

You're certainly entitled to tender an opinion, right or wrong.