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04-27-2008, 03:19 PM
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your right hitler had alot of luck and did not adpat but i still think for a homeless painter to rise to the leader of a country that nearly dominated the world showed some kind for brillance from his part
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Well, after he made it up to the top through populism and rough methods he stole the resources first from a huge number of own citizens and than from foreign countries and not to forget from the future of the Reich. Together with the not so small capacities of the German Reich it was not so bad to get the needed resources. Of course only if you have deposited any splint of human feeling before.
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04-27-2008, 03:22 PM
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he was a great public speaker and someone people could trust and when he assembled a team that coulc make up for his short comming he was complete
Ok hitle and co were remarkible men( again not condoing ther actions)
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People could trust in him? What the f*** ??
I guess thats why the Nazis had to fake a Polish attack to hide their offense behind the term "defense". Thats just one of his lies towards the Germans, there were actually countless lies of similar importance.
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04-27-2008, 03:31 PM
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imagien your a german after the wall street crash the spd goverment with president hinderburg is slow to responding to the ecomic problems and then you have hitler and his nazia party how set up soup kithcens up to feed the hungray who would you trust?
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04-27-2008, 04:15 PM
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imagien your a german after the wall street crash the spd goverment with president hinderburg is slow to responding to the ecomic problems and then you have hitler and his nazia party how set up soup kithcens up to feed the hungray who would you trust?
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Actually it was Goulash kitchens he set up, at least here in Austria. At the same time he started to get multiple times of the invested money back by stealing the fortunes of Jewish Austrians and other minorities from the very first day of the Anschluss.
You don't have to tell me why a large number of people supported him. I know they did and I also somewhat understand why they did that.
This makes however neither Hitler nor his supporter anything better than they were.
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04-27-2008, 05:03 PM
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Hitler in my opinion more than anything was ruthless , but charismatic.
If he had been brilliant he would have known how to limit his ambition , or have when to use some patience.
Most folks can easily see the flaws of fighting on two fronts. If he had used all his resources when dealing with the western front and avoided the the June 22nd invasion of Russia , who knows how history would have concluded.
Better yet for him if he had avoided the western front and concentrated on the east only, he could have easily took the USSR.
Stalin was totally unprepared and if they had only chosen the path in the spring rather than in June , they would have controlled Moscow before the weather got them in the fall.
I admire the Russian effort, the courage of the Leningrad citizens who endured the 900 days but still they were easy prey. They also would have found some folks ready to see a new force depose communism. By taking Moscow they could have easily wiped the rest out with air raids as they almost did with Leningrad.
After consolidation of the east , he would been better suited to pursue the westward expansion.
Hitler was so foolish that he even refused to stop the trains that were taking the Jews to the death camps late in the war when Germany was obviously going to lose. That effort took precious resources, that his dying soldiers desperately needed.
Even corrupt leaders like the Mafia , will seek some legitimacy or change tactics after gaining wealth , Hitler simply was not that intelligent.
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04-27-2008, 05:24 PM
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Hitler was responcible for the killing of millions of people and i am in no way condoning his actions, but you have to admit he was a genius, he took a country in the depths of fincal ruins to a country that would freaten the world in a few short years, very few people have acheived this kind of thing before
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Defenderofthesmall, I'm just curious: Where are you from? Not that it really matters but I'm just curious.
For my part I think Hitler was a little man both in height and spirit. He was a very bad painter, a very bad writer, and a very bad lover I've heard. 
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04-27-2008, 07:08 PM
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If Hitler was smart, he would have just stopped expanding Germany after the Anschlus with Austria. That was the height of German power. Germany would probably be 75% larger today if he had stopped before attacking Poland. Sure it was brilliant the way he and his generals ran rings around the French and the British Expeditionary Force, but strategically speaking, who the hell thinks they can conquer Europe, England, and Russia? The US is also not going to get involved in that?
I wonder if Germany would have won the war even if they took Moscow in 1941.
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04-27-2008, 07:28 PM
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Sure it was brilliant the way he and his generals ran rings around the French and the British Expeditionary Force, but strategically speaking, who the hell thinks they can conquer Europe, England, and Russia?
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Cough, cough... The French back in the 1800's... Cough, cough...
EDIT: I love your new avatar by the way: nice choice! 
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04-27-2008, 11:19 PM
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Cough, cough... The French back in the 1800's... Cough, cough... 
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If only Hitler had learned from Napolean about the harsh russian winters, the eastern front would had been a whole lot different.
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04-28-2008, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
I wonder if Germany would have won the war even if they took Moscow in 1941.
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Russians wouldn't have surrendered, and would have kept fighting until Ural. But since US was also sharing technology with Russia, there was no chance Germans would get so far. During the start of the war with Russia, Russia had better new tank designs than Germany (T34, KV-1 which was killer of German panzers), but in insufficient numbers and used bad tactics.
It's funny that Hitler wanted to deport Slavs to "inhospitable" Siberia, when now we know it's such a rich land
Whole Europe could have defeated Soviet Russia easily, it had much more resources available, but Germany alone could not. In Russia, only Germany was fighting, with Romania, and with some Hungarian and Slovak troops. Only production capacity of Germany, Austria, Bohemia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and part of Poland were used. It was not expanded like in Russia.
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Originally Posted by Future Leader
If only Hitler had learned from Napolean about the harsh russian winters, the eastern front would had been a whole lot different.
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Also Poles conquered Moscow in Polish-Muscovite War - Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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