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07-15-2007, 12:41 PM
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The U.S. healthcare system is a major clusterfuck!
I got bad news for all Americans who dont like the idea of universal healthcare.
You already do pay a hell of a lot directly to the public healthcare system via your taxes, and that without getting your asses covered. As a matter of fact, all American taxpayers are paying (if Im not mistaken) between 2 and 3 times more directly to public healthcare than the Danish, German, and French taxpayers are. In addition, you need a healthcare insurance on top of it all, so that you might end up paying astonishing 4 - 5 times more than we do in total.
The conclusion to all this must be that your healthcare system is a major clusterfuck (obviously), and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. The only winners of your system are the insurance companies/private hospitals, and the losers are all working Americans.
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07-15-2007, 12:58 PM
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Hey, I think I've met you somewhere before. Welcome. 
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07-15-2007, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wallaroo
I got bad news for all Americans who dont like the idea of universal healthcare.
You already do pay a hell of a lot directly to the public healthcare system via your taxes, and that without getting your asses covered. As a matter of fact, all American taxpayers are paying (if Im not mistaken) between 2 and 3 times more directly to public healthcare than the Danish, German, and French taxpayers are. In addition, you need a healthcare insurance on top of it all, so that you might end up paying astonishing 4 - 5 times more than we do in total.
The conclusion to all this must be that your healthcare system is a major clusterfuck (obviously), and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. The only winners of your system are the insurance companies/private hospitals, and the losers are all working Americans. |
And sadly, there are still many Americans who think universal healthcare is "socialized healthcare" and don't want America to "fall to the commies".
Personally, I think our system has proved it's impracticality time and time again, and a universal healthcare system is the only direction towards which we should head. |
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07-15-2007, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois
Hey, I think I've met you somewhere before. Welcome. |
Thanks Du Bois!
We did indeed ran into each other a couple of times back on USPOL.
Thought Id come aboard the forum to spread some anti-American propaganda, if you dont mind. 
Well, seriously, this is a very good topic, and I would appreciate all kinds of rational comments to the OP. |
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07-15-2007, 07:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaroo
I got bad news for all Americans who dont like the idea of universal healthcare.
You already do pay a hell of a lot directly to the public healthcare system via your taxes, and that without getting your asses covered. As a matter of fact, all American taxpayers are paying (if Im not mistaken) between 2 and 3 times more directly to public healthcare than the Danish, German, and French taxpayers are. In addition, you need a healthcare insurance on top of it all, so that you might end up paying astonishing 4 - 5 times more than we do in total.
The conclusion to all this must be that your healthcare system is a major clusterfuck (obviously), and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. The only winners of your system are the insurance companies/private hospitals, and the losers are all working Americans. |
I agree that the US system is as you describe it,
but I do not agree we are paying more for it in taxes
than you.
You have this thing called VAT, right? How much
does a bottle of beer cost in Denmark, as a result
of VAT, and other taxes? How about Smorgasborg?
How about Danish pastry? (I have been to Denmark twice)
In the US the cheapest beer retail is about 50 cents
per .355L, tax included. We have nothing to compare
to the Smorgasborg of Denmark. The best sandwich
in my city is pretty darn good, though, and it is about
$6. Our pastry in not yet on the radar.
Anyway, I expect a lot of this VAT money of yours goes
to health care, or does your "free" health care have another
source of income, since the Doctor never sends you a bill?
Now, I am not saying our system is better than yours,
and it might be your system is better tan ours.
However, either way medical insurance costs a fuck
of a lot of money. Yes?
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07-15-2007, 07:39 PM
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forgot some.
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The conclusion to all this must be that your healthcare system is a major clusterfuck (obviously), and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. The only winners of your system are the insurance companies/private hospitals, and the losers are all working Americans.
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You forgot that it is the best health care in the world...if you can afford it like the upper middle class and the rich for who money is no object. For the rest of the people it is as dismal as you say. |
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07-15-2007, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by USViking
I agree that the US system is as you describe it,
but I do not agree we are paying more for it in taxes
than you.
You have this thing called VAT, right? How much
does a bottle of beer cost in Denmark, as a result
of VAT, and other taxes? How about Smorgasborg?
How about Danish pastry? (I have been to Denmark twice)
In the US the cheapest beer retail is about 50 cents
per .355L, tax included. We have nothing to compare
to the Smorgasborg of Denmark. The best sandwich
in my city is pretty darn good, though, and it is about
$6. Our pastry in not yet on the radar.
Anyway, I expect a lot of this VAT money of yours goes
to health care, or does your "free" health care have another
source of income, since the Doctor never sends you a bill?
Now, I am not saying our system is better than yours,
and it might be your system is better tan ours.
However, either way medical insurance costs a fuck
of a lot of money. Yes?
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There is a towering high VAT (moms) on everything here in bullshit Denmark, but the total amount payed to public healthcare per citizen (VAT included), are only around 1/3 of in the U.S. Denmark doesnt have a very good and effective healthcare system like Germany and France, and people there doesnt pay much more to it than we do.
A 1/3L bottle of cheap beer costs less than in the U.S - 1,75 kr = 0,3$. I havent got the sligthest idea what smorgasborg means (never heard about it), or did you mean smørrebrød? |
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07-15-2007, 09:52 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Wallaroo
There is a towering high VAT (moms) on everything here in bullshit Denmark, but the total amount payed to public healthcare per citizen (VAT included), are only around 1/3 of in the U.S.
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I have a real problem believing this without copious
supporting data, and you have supplied no data.
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Originally Posted by Wallaroo
Denmark doesnt have a very good and effective healthcare system like Germany and France, and people there doesnt pay much more to it than we do.
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Your healthcare system is one of the best.
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Originally Posted by Wallaroo
A 1/3L bottle of cheap beer costs less than in the U.S - 1,75 kr = 0,3$. I
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Now that suprises me. My brother was in Denmark
in the last 15 years and complained of the high beer
prices. Maybe he should have bought cheaper beer.
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havent got the sligthest idea what smorgasborg means (never heard about it), or did you mean smørrebrød?
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I was using English spelling.
It means a big, multi-layer, multi-ingredient sandwich.
In the US such a sandwich used to be called a "Dagwood".
Now "Sub(marine)" is the closest to what our version of
the incomprable Danish sandwich is called.
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07-16-2007, 08:32 AM
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So a few months ago I had strep. I dealt with it for about a week and then I decided (it was a Friday) that I was going to go to the walk-in clinic the next morning. I have health insurance by the way.
So Saturday morning, I wake up at 1 AM and my throat literally hurts so much that I am on the verge of tears. There was no way I was going back to sleep (trust me, I tried for about 2 hours) I had been taking over the counter pain killers for a few days but it was at the point where nothing was working any more. I couldn't swallow and the pain was so unbearable. So... I got up and told my boyfriend I was gonna drive to the ER at 3AM. I figured at worst I would have to pay $100 to go cuz that's what it says on my health card.
So I went. Got some amazing painkillers and another drug so that I wouldn't puke from the strength of the painkillers and then a prescription to get filled the next day. Went to bed. All is good. Got my medicine and was better. No bill so I was like "huh.. weird".
Four months later (earlier this week) I get a bill from the hospital. I thought "oh, well.. that took a long time but I expected that bill for $100 sooner or later." I opened it.
$295.00. My insurance denied my "claim". I still haven't called because I am so angry that I don't even know if I want to know what it is that I have been denied. On the bill it also says "This is for hospital charges ONLY. A bill from the physician will come later". I'm hoping that this is all included and I won't actually get a bill from the doctor because three hundred EFFING dollars for me to get extreme pain relieve is DISGUSTING and pisses me off to no end. Just thinking about it makes me want to break something. I couldn't imagine if I had actually had something horrendously wrong with me.
Anyway... yeah... I'm hoping to get it fixed but I bet some kind of bullisht reason like I didn't ask their permission first .. at 3AM.. to go to the ER is going to come up. Either way. BS. I'm pissed about it. And something needs to change because the fact that I have to pay that much money with perhaps more coming (by the end of the month) to stop being in pain four months ago is effed up beyond belief.
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07-17-2007, 02:29 PM
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Knight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzibeth
So a few months ago I had strep. I dealt with it for about a week and then I decided (it was a Friday) that I was going to go to the walk-in clinic the next morning. I have health insurance by the way.
So Saturday morning, I wake up at 1 AM and my throat literally hurts so much that I am on the verge of tears. There was no way I was going back to sleep (trust me, I tried for about 2 hours) I had been taking over the counter pain killers for a few days but it was at the point where nothing was working any more. I couldn't swallow and the pain was so unbearable. So... I got up and told my boyfriend I was gonna drive to the ER at 3AM. I figured at worst I would have to pay $100 to go cuz that's what it says on my health card.
So I went. Got some amazing painkillers and another drug so that I wouldn't puke from the strength of the painkillers and then a prescription to get filled the next day. Went to bed. All is good. Got my medicine and was better. No bill so I was like "huh.. weird".
Four months later (earlier this week) I get a bill from the hospital. I thought "oh, well.. that took a long time but I expected that bill for $100 sooner or later." I opened it.
$295.00. My insurance denied my "claim". I still haven't called because I am so angry that I don't even know if I want to know what it is that I have been denied. On the bill it also says "This is for hospital charges ONLY. A bill from the physician will come later". I'm hoping that this is all included and I won't actually get a bill from the doctor because three hundred EFFING dollars for me to get extreme pain relieve is DISGUSTING and pisses me off to no end. Just thinking about it makes me want to break something. I couldn't imagine if I had actually had something horrendously wrong with me.
Anyway... yeah... I'm hoping to get it fixed but I bet some kind of bullisht reason like I didn't ask their permission first .. at 3AM.. to go to the ER is going to come up. Either way. BS. I'm pissed about it. And something needs to change because the fact that I have to pay that much money with perhaps more coming (by the end of the month) to stop being in pain four months ago is effed up beyond belief.
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Call immediately and get an explanation for the denial.
Right now.
And while you are at it ask them why they took four months
to say anything.
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