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06-21-2007, 06:23 PM
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We the People don't need the fda
please terminate the fda USA I hate them! for all their lies!
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06-21-2007, 08:36 PM
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Please? Who are you asking to do this terminating? US?
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06-21-2007, 11:25 PM
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I hate 'em for all their corruption and lies TOO.
I think terminating them can be carried out very efficiently if everybody starts taking responsibility for their OWN health and wellness issues and IGNORES them.
They WOULD become completely useless and unnecessary then. They already ARE useless. Except to big pharmaceuticals of course.
As long as "we the people" rely on someone ELSE to advise us on how best to care for ourselves, the Fuckedup Dimwit Administration will continue to exist.
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06-22-2007, 07:38 AM
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Let's not jump to conclusions here.
Remember, the FDA was created because of all the phony, and often toxic, "snake oil" medications that were sold to unwitting people. The agency was good once, and instead of throwing them right out as wolfie suggests we might want to fix what Congress broke.
Do YOU read, or even understand all the ingredients on all the products you buy? If the FDA had never existed that poisoned toothpaste might be the LEAST of your troubles.
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06-22-2007, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbler1
Let's not jump to conclusions here.
Remember, the FDA was created because of all the phony, and often toxic, "snake oil" medications that were sold to unwitting people. The agency was good once, and instead of throwing them right out as wolfie suggests we might want to fix what Congress broke.
Do YOU read, or even understand all the ingredients on all the products you buy? If the FDA had never existed that poisoned toothpaste might be the LEAST of your troubles.
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I usually do read them. Mostly because I look for the obvious ones that everyone should be aware of that they should AVOID. Then, because I'm a chemist there are some others I avoid because they're completely unnecessary and/or not proven safe. Compounds and salts of aluminum in foods is one I often see that may be unsafe.
But, you're right. The FDA is broken. As are MANY branches of our govt. and watchdog agencies. They're corrupt and not to be trusted with information advising you or I about our health.
CAN they BE fixed ?
That's an entirely new debate.
Myself, I doubt it. They're corrupt and rotten to the core. Throw them out and rebuild another FDA that needs to follow some moral guidelines of truth and decency maybe, but trying to make a rotten apple fresh isn't something I've ever seen accomplished. That's MY analogy and opinion :-)
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06-22-2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scribbler1
Let's not jump to conclusions here.
Remember, the FDA was created because of all the phony, and often toxic, "snake oil" medications that were sold to unwitting people. The agency was good once, and instead of throwing them right out as wolfie suggests we might want to fix what Congress broke.
Do YOU read, or even understand all the ingredients on all the products you buy? If the FDA had never existed that poisoned toothpaste might be the LEAST of your troubles.
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I'm with you on that.
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06-22-2007, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ygorl
I usually do read them. Mostly because I look for the obvious ones that everyone should be aware of that they should AVOID. Then, because I'm a chemist there are some others I avoid because they're completely unnecessary and/or not proven safe. Compounds and salts of aluminum in foods is one I often see that may be unsafe.
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But since the overwhelming majority of people are NOT chemists they assume the products they ingest are not harmful. That WAS the job of the FDA. It can be again.
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But, you're right. The FDA is broken. As are MANY branches of our govt. and watchdog agencies. They're corrupt and not to be trusted with information advising you or I about our health.
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At this point in time I must agree with you. Where we part company is with the idea of just eliminating it.
ANY government agency can be fixed. The problem is you need the idiot sheep to back us up on this.
But the FDA is necessary for two reasons. One, the people NEED someone/something to look out for their best interests and the chemical pushers only look out for themselves. And two, as long as there exists a regulatory agency, even a broken one, there exists the possibility that if a drug company or food manufacturer goes too far they can be nailed for it. Big food and pharmaceutical companies would like nothing more than to scrap the FDA.
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Myself, I doubt it. They're corrupt and rotten to the core. Throw them out and rebuild another FDA that needs to follow some moral guidelines of truth and decency maybe, but trying to make a rotten apple fresh isn't something I've ever seen accomplished. That's MY analogy and opinion :-)
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I fail to see the difference between a new FDA and a reformed one.
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07-12-2007, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ygorl
But, you're right. The FDA is broken. As are MANY branches of our govt. and watchdog agencies. They're corrupt and not to be trusted with information advising you or I about our health.
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The DEA as well, imo.
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07-12-2007, 02:04 PM
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FDA isn't even constitutional: they gotta go.
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07-12-2007, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
please terminate the fda USA I hate them! for all their lies!
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I work in the medical industry, the FDA has a huge role to play and I'm sure you all know that. Anyway...the FDA Reps that I have met have NOT had horns, or red skin, or supernatural powers. The thing I most remember is that they're like the IRS...if you even try to bribe them, it's a federal crime. Now I'm not trying to say the FDA isn't corrupt, anything is possible. But the folks I work with don't seem to be deserving of termination for lies.
I hear a lot of: corruption...fix it...fix congress...fix FDA...fix corruption...eliminate FDA...etc. It all sounds so cliche. Maybe if I heard something like....the FDA stalled approval on the following treatment (drugs) and my Aunt Lilly kicked painfully because of it, and the FDA guy who stalled the procedure was paid by demons to make life tough for little old ladies from Kansas. Now THATs someting I can grab ahold of. All that other stuff I'm reading needs to be disambigufied and cross objectified.
So! Maybe we don't need rakes, shovels, torches, and an army of angry villagers...maybe we could look into those details a liitle more 
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