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Old 06-07-2007, 06:48 PM
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Chantix and smokers who ..

...want to quite and are wanting more, in depth information on the latest stop smoking drug Chantix:

I put this together for myself intitially (yes, I'm going to be using it). As a chemist I was digging to find the chemical formula and structure if possible. Here you go. Hope I can figure out how to get the images loaded HERE, but if not they're at the last link:

VARENICLINE - Guidance for health professionals on a new prescription-only stop smoking medication ASH, London, November 2006

The neurochemistry of varenicline is complex. It is an α4ß2 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor partial agonist. Being a partial agonist means that is has both a stimulating and a blocking effect on the receptor it is attracted to. It is structurally similar to cytisine, a naturally occurring substance used as a starting point to develop varenicline (1). Cytisine has been licensed as
a stop smoking medication for around forty years in central and eastern Europe. The α 4ß2 receptor subtype is thought to mediate the rewarding properties of nicotine by modulating the release of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens, the so called “pleasure centre” of the brain.

“Agonist” means that when varenicline binds to the nicotinic receptor it has an effect similar to that of nicotine in stimulating the release of dopamine, although varenicline produces a slower, longer lasting and smaller increase in dopamine release than nicotine. Thus it partially mimics the effect of nicotine and this is thought to explain why it reduces craving when smokers abstain and are deprived of nicotine. However varenicline also binds to the
receptor and partially blocks it (hence “partial” agonist), which reduces the binding siteavailability for nicotine, and so results in a weaker response if people smoke while using the drug. Thus the smoker may experience less satisfaction from smoking. And because varenicline has a higher affinity for the α4ß2 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor than nicotine, it
will displace nicotine on the receptor in the same way that carbon monoxide displaces oxygen from haemoglobin, and thus limit the effect of nicotine. Because varenicline doesn’t have as strong an effect as nicotine in releasing dopamine, the addiction potential is likely to be lower

It would appear that nausea is dose related and titration – for example to 0.5 mg daily – appears to reduce the incidence (4) (see on). There were more reports of abnormal dreams in the varenicline group.

Overall around 10% of people on varenicline across the three phase 3 trials stopped using the drug because of adverse effects. In the two main outcome studies (5,6) the incidence of adverse effects emerging during treatment was similar for varenicline, bupropion and placebo. Other adverse effects noted in the SPC (9) included increased appetite, headache, dizziness and fatigue.

No significant drug-drug interactions associated with the use of varenicline have so far been identified, nor do there appear to be any contra-indications. However, because varenicline is excreted almost entirely by the kidney, precautions should be taken with patients who have severe renal impairment.

Varenicline comes in film coated tablets, each tablet containing 0.5mg of varenicline tartrate.

At the end of treatment, discontinuation of varenicline was associated with anincrease in irritability, urge to smoke, depression, and/or insomnia in up to 3% of patients, so the prescriber should inform the patient accordingly and discuss or consider the potential need for dose tapering.

As varenicline is a new drug, it is possible that with greater experience of its use, druginteractions or rare adverse effects may be identified, so we recommend that patients should be encouraged to report potential side effects to health professionals.


Introduction to nAChRs

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Mechanism of Action

Varenicline binds with high affinity and selectivity at α4β2 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors sub-type. The efficacy of CHANTIX in smoking cessation is believed to be the result of varenicline’s activity at the α4β2 receptor where its binding produces agonist activity, while simultaneously preventing nicotine binding to these receptors.


Varenicline - Ganfyd

chemical formula and info. Varenicline tartrate
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I like the double Agonist action, though it's called "partial"...it gives the same nicotine sensation and also inhibits that same sensation when the smokers start to smoke. My Dad quit for 8 years, but started up again last year. I'll look into this. : )
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How much will these pills cost?

I think a big part cigarette addiction is an oral fixation as well. There are no pills for that yet.
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How much will these pills cost?
Right now, they're new and in demand, so they're pretty expensive. Where I work REALLY wants us to stop this habit so they pay for the whole bill. I really need to stop myself.

I've seen how people die (my grandpa and my wifes mom) from this and it's a slow, painful icky process to watch. I think to myself; "Do I want my kids watching ME die like that ?"

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I think a big part cigarette addiction is an oral fixation as well. There are no pills for that yet.
Yes, its mental, physical and the whole she-bang. I'll be learning to replace my little "ritual" with other, more positive "rituals" (exersize, focused meditation etc.) and hopefully the chantix will help with the physical.

Defintely time to knock it off. 25 yrs. is long enough. Starting to push the luck.
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The bad thing is that even if you quit, your still not out of the woods. My nextdoor neighbor growing up was like a grandfather to me. He had quit for a long time, 40 or 50 years, and it still got him.
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The bad thing is that even if you quit, your still not out of the woods. My nextdoor neighbor growing up was like a grandfather to me. He had quit for a long time, 40 or 50 years, and it still got him.
Yeah, I know. Still, there's a much better chance of surviving to an old, healthy age if you DO stop. My grandpa stopped after 20 years and HE'S still alive (he's like 97 or 8).

I'll be shooting for THAT result LOL :-)
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Yeah, I know. Still, there's a much better chance of surviving to an old, healthy age if you DO stop. My grandpa stopped after 20 years and HE'S still alive (he's like 97 or 8).

I'll be shooting for THAT result LOL :-)
I should have specified, my OTHER grandpa LOL

One died from it in an icky way from it.
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My mom and dad were both three pack a day chain smokers, so I can understand and sympathize with the power of the addiction. None of us kids smoke.

I have mixed feelings about smoking. I detest the smug self-righteousness of the anti-smoking crowd, and I see this as a slippery slope toward outlawing other "unhealthy" habits, such as fast food. In a society such as ours that purports to be about individual freedom, that freedom also should properly include the right to be self-destructive if you are stupid enough to do so. Too many individual rights have already been infringed by busybody health nazis as it is.

I also think the supposed "science" that proclaims the danger of second-hand smoke is suspect based on some things I have read and heard.

The one thing that really irritates me about smokers is that too many of them seem to think that the whole world is their ashtray by some inherent right. I get tired of cleaning up butts in our parking lot. This is not only filthy, it's rude anddisrespectful to the property rights of others.


But then I'm equally offended by the increasing number of self-important selfish ***holes who yammer away on their cell phones no matter where they are and no matter whom it inconveniences.

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The one thing that really irritates me about smokers is that too many of them seem to think that the whole world is their ashtray by some inherent right. I get tired of cleaning up butts in our parking lot. This is not only filthy, it's rude anddisrespectful to the property rights of others.
I'm reading a book by Neil Boortz and he was talking about how, when he was a lawyer with his own building, he saw a lady in his parking lot dump her whole ash tray out. When she went into the building he went out with a tube of crazy glue and glued every one of them on her windshield. Then he waited in his office looking out to the parking lot for her to come out. Needless to say, she was pretty pissed.
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My mom and dad were both three pack a day chain smokers, so I can understand and sympathize with the power of the addiction. None of us kids smoke.

I have mixed feelings about smoking. I detest the smug self-righteousness of the anti-smoking crowd, and I see this as a slippery slope toward outlawing other "unhealthy" habits, such as fast food. In a society such as ours that purports to be about individual freedom, that freedom also should properly include the right to be self-destructive if you are stupid enough to do so. Too many individual rights have already been infringed by busybody health nazis as it is.

I also think the supposed "science" that proclaims the danger of second-hand smoke is suspect based on some things I have read and heard.

The one thing that really irritates me about smokers is that too many of them seem to think that the whole world is their ashtray by some inherent right. I get tired of cleaning up butts in our parking lot. This is not only filthy, it's rude anddisrespectful to the property rights of others.


But then I'm equally offended by the increasing number of self-important selfish ***holes who yammer away on their cell phones no matter where they are and no matter whom it inconveniences.
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