Alkaline-Ionized Water - Political Forum

emptypepsi · 03-13-2007, 11:26 AM

Alkaline-ionized water devices deliver health benefits at home

I see the good in alkalizing it, but I do agree that there are everyday things one can do to reduce acidity in a diet. Thoughts?

Slartibartfas · 03-13-2007, 03:18 PM

Souns like an extreme waste of money to money.

But if you believe in this, then drink some waters with a high pH, ie with a high carbonate hardness. Just look into the water analyzes of your local community. But dont waste your money one crap like a "water ionizer".
I mean are there any serious studies that suggest that there is a health benefit from drinking water with a higher alkalinity?

We have a very powerful puffer system in our body, basing mostly on phosphate. You have to intake enormous amounts of acid to derail that puffer. And if that happens you are dead anyway.

The point of those ionizers seems also to be that they are mostly fake anyway. I mean are alikine substances added to the water, or should a magical ionization of water itself should make it alkaline? If no substance is added, thats a hoax. The water reconfigurates itself within seconds.

PS:
Have you known that beer has a pH of around 4,2? Funny fact, isnt it?

dahermit · 03-13-2007, 11:09 PM

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...there are everyday things one can do to reduce acidity in a diet.

Seems like a waste of time inasmuch as the stomach produces hydrochloric acid.
Regards,
dahermit

Slartibartfas · 03-14-2007, 11:44 AM

I am no medicine. But isn't the metabolism in general able to influence its acidity. I mean I know that there is a very effective puffer system, but does that need active control or is it already so good enough to cope with the natural fluctuations in the nutrition and metabolism?

Jamesk · 07-03-2007, 04:27 PM

Hello everyone, I noticed this post and decided to respond to it - I have been drinking ionized water for several years now, and have pioneered it's use and awareness in the UK

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

But dont waste your money one crap like a "water ionizer".

I mean are there any serious studies that suggest that there is a health benefit from drinking water with a higher alkalinity?

There have been a number of clinical studies, Clinical reports and medical case studies that suggest that there are health benefits from drinking ionized alkaline water. There are also documented medical cases on video.

It is not known precisely what causes these benefits, they are observed benefits. Researchers believe that the benefits are not due solely to the alkalinity (ie alkaline mineral content), but from 3 factors:
a) Alkaline pH (as measurable with a pH meter)
b) Low ORP (low redox potential, anti-oxidant, measurable with an ORP meter)
c) MicroClusters (hexagonal, six molecules, measurable with NMR)

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We have a very powerful puffer system in our body, basing mostly on phosphate. You have to intake enormous amounts of acid to derail that puffer. And if that happens you are dead anyway.

The point of those ionizers seems also to be that they are mostly fake anyway. I mean are alikine substances added to the water, or should a magical ionization of water itself should make it alkaline? If no substance is added, thats a hoax. The water reconfigurates itself within seconds.

This is a detailed page that answers the "alkaline water being snake oil and a scam"

FRYandBENDER · 07-03-2007, 04:33 PM

I heard a while back that making your body's pH more alkaline does all kind of good stuff even stuff like decreasing your chances of getting cacer. I didn't really take it seriously or research it any further. I'll check out your links later, but can you give me a quick run down of the biggest benefits?

perdidochas · 07-03-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by emptypepsi

Alkaline-ionized water devices deliver health benefits at home

I see the good in alkalizing it, but I do agree that there are everyday things one can do to reduce acidity in a diet. Thoughts?

Alkaline water is uncommon in nature. It doesn't make commons sense that it would be better for us.

Jamesk · 07-04-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by perdidochas

Alkaline water is uncommon in nature. It doesn't make commons sense that it would be better for us.

I believe that most spring water is alkaline - I've measured the pH of waters running into Lake Geneva and it had a pH of 7.6. Someone measured the pH of springs at Colarado and said that it was 8.

If you were to measure the ORP of these waters, it would be negative. They would also have lower cluster sizes.

The alkalinity is from the alkaline mineral content (calcium, magnesium, sodium, etc). We are designed to get our minerals from alkaline water because they are in the necessary 'ionized' or colloidal form that the body can easily assimilate.

The notion that we can not assimilate alkaline minerals because the stomach is too acidic is not correct - there have been studies that have clearly shown that minerals are absorbed from alkaline water.

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These and other studies suggest:

If you eat proteins and carbs in the same meal, they won't digest quickly.
If you drink acid drinks (like cola), the body will take calcium from the bones and teeth to maintain pH balance
If you drink alkaline water this will be assimilated by your body - i.e. gradually improve your bones and teeth
If you eat acid producing foods, over the long run it will deplete your alkaline buffers and is a cause of acidosis.
Over-acidity could be the cause of obesity; alkalinity and hydration could be the simple cure.

Jamesk · 07-04-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

I heard a while back that making your body's pH more alkaline does all kind of good stuff even stuff like decreasing your chances of getting cacer. I didn't really take it seriously or research it any further. I'll check out your links later, but can you give me a quick run down of the biggest benefits?

Thats a long story! Alkaline is the bodies natural state - we must maintain that state by breathing or we'd acidify and die. When you breath you take in oxygen which alkalizes your bodies. If you stop breathing, the body will use up the O2 in the lungs, then it'll use up the OH- in the blood/fluids, and then it would die - this would take 3 minutes.

Looking at the basics,

What is acid? Effectively, it is a depleted state, a loss of an elctron
What is alkaline? It is the opposite, it has gained an electron.

The Hydrogen atom is the simplest atom - 1 electron, 1 proton. If you take away the electron you are left with just the proton or just H+ (ie acid). This 'atom' or rather proton has lost something, lost energy, because electrons are regions of charge or energy - photons are released when electrons move from a region of high charge to a lower one.

Conversely, the OH- has gained an electron (thats what the H- stands for). The H- ion (or H-minus) is also called active hydrogen.

So a can of cola at an acid pH of 2 can be thought of as depleted in energy, even though it has 9 spoons of sugar. In other words, it is not giving your body any nutrients, the body actually has to donate essential minerals to it so that it can be digested. If you measured the ORP it would be very positive.

If you put a nail in a glass with cola in it, it would rust very quickly. The excess H+ would grab electrons from the nail, making it rust.

Conversely, if you put the nail in ionized water (this has a high pH and low OPR), the nail would not rust.

Remember, you can 'alkalize' (ie increase the pH) water adding drops of hydroxides to it, but this does nothing to the ORP - you need to ionize the water to get these benefits.

Also, citrus fruits are acidic - if you squeeze lemon juice to water, it'll raise the pH, however, when you drink the juice, it digests to form alkaline minerals and has an overall alkalizing effect on the body.

Fruits and fruit juices are alkalizing - even if they may be acid to start with. Meats are acidifying (even if they may have a high alkaline mineral content relative to vegetables) because the process of digestion of proteins needs acid enzymes and acidic digestive juices. So does the end product of metabolism - it produces lots of acid wastes.

This happens with fruits too, but they produce less acid wastes. With alkaline water though, no acidity is produced, so it is the best way to alkalize the body.

FRYandBENDER · 07-04-2007, 08:50 AM

Thanks.