Any military matter is obviously within the duties of government. Everything else could be torn apart and totally reworked imo. Get the product (health insurance) cheaper. Its double digit inflation year over year for over a decade is unforgivable. So fix that and then employers can be more competitive about paying for it again. Government in principle is always big and sloppy in everything it does, and I guarantee more sin taxes in your immediate future if not outright banning of certain products.

Two problems- first, no way are we going to get capital;ist health insurance any cheaper, and no way are more employers likely to offer to pay for good health insurance- we can expect the opposite- more of the same- higher co pays and donut holes and jobs without benefits.

Only cause people refuse to even try to fix an industry that has experienced double digit year over year inflation the past decade. Right wingers seem to think things are fine, left wingers want to adopt everything European. Where's the middle ground?

Europe has a variety of health care systems. In Britain and Spain they have national health care and doctors are salaried employees of the national health care, while in most of the rest of Europe and Canada the doctors are in private practice. A look at Taiwan is interesting. In 1995 they converted from a system like ours to a single payer universal health care which covered 8+ million previously without insurance WITHOUT increasing overall costs. If they can do it, don't you think we can? There are a variety of arrangements out there. We should pick and choose from the best of them, as Taiwan did.

You make a good point here Glo! We should address the high cost of health care, but is it fair to leave 50 million Americans without health care, while we figure out and fix that problem?

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I'm one of those people since I'm an independent contractor that is young I chose not to have any. Most plans I have looked into are crap as the medicare guy was saying earlier and thats true, I don't argue that, I just think we can use socialist instruments to fix the industry instead of socializing the industry. . .

Yes its fine if they were to go without care for another 10 years, that said no one is talking about fixing healthcare, only talking about socializing it.

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300 million times about 200 dollars a month. . . I come up with about what 60 billion a month? Do not underestimate the vastness of the cost of this industry in the US. Socializing it will be every bit the disaster our defense spending has been the past 6 years. Bring prices down and people can afford it if they need it and chose who they want.

NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Cost

Health care spending is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense.3

I was not aware there were 300 million that could not afford health care.



"The Obama plan will realize tremendous savings within the health care system to help finance the plan. The additional revenue needed to fund the up-front investments in technology and to help people who cannot afford health insurance is more than covered by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do."

BACKGROUND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HEALTH CARE PLAN Q. I like my current insurance coverage. <b style="color:black;background-color:#ffff66">Will</b> I have to change plans?

We also will not be spending 3 million a month to kill people for their oil.

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Meh, I figure if you come up with a government financed program most will gravitate to what's cheapest.


I don't buy this hogwash any further then I could throw it, not one government program has ever come under initial budgets. . .not one.



There isn't going to be many people liking their health care insurance when every dope is getting something, when whether or not we admit it, someone paying their own health insurance will be paying twice.

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Originally Posted by catawba We also will not be spending 3 million a month to kill people for their oil.

Party rhetoric. Please come back with something that wasn't sent out in a memo. Didn't you mean 30 billion anyways?

Its just my take man, seems to me the rest in my generation are ready to give up their freedoms for a slightly better lifestyle... Thats very. . .weak.