the obese problem - Page 2 - Political Forum

AzTeK · 04-09-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

It shouldn't be surprising that they've been going up. Selective pressures no longer act in any natural way as civilizations changed the equation. As you said, our bodies still operate as if we were in the stone age, and store fat when there are indicators that the body needs to be able to survive future famines, which is why dieting is bad.

Indeed not, but it's a clear indication that the current direction is the wrong direction, and I find it to be a pretty curious and ironic observation

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

5% would be pretty ideal for a male, but hard to reach for most people. However, 5% would be unhealthy for females, whose ideal is around 10-13%. American averages are currently 22-25% for females, 15-19% for males.

According to "Principles + Labs for Physical Fitness and Wellness", 5% for a male is less than half of the "ideal" value. The "ideal" for female is generally more around 17-24%...different sources are good and all, but the discrepancy here is pretty big...interesting. If your averages are true, than Americans seem to be right on the mark, which I find hard to believe.

According to "The American Council on Exercise", the number you indicated for "ideal" females is below even the essential fat reserves (12-15%)

Body fat percentage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

If you were implying that body fat % would be a better indicator of health than BMI, I would definitely have to agree.

For sure.

LiveUninhibited · 04-09-2008, 06:22 AM

That same article has both my values and your values. Mine are in the first paragraph. Perhaps the exact value isn't determined, and it may vary some by more than just gender.

I am reasonably sure that 2% is accepted as the essential minimum for men, because I knew a professional bodybuilder who was discussing how they try to get below 2%, but that it is one of the unhealthy aspects of the profession. Okay I know that's not scientific but still. (:

AzTeK · 04-09-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

That same article has both my values and your values. Mine are in the first paragraph. Perhaps the exact value isn't determined, and it may vary some by more than just gender.

I am reasonably sure that 2% is accepted as the essential minimum for men, because I knew a professional bodybuilder who was discussing how they try to get below 2%, but that it is one of the unhealthy aspects of the profession.

Ah ok, seems like it's just a misunderstanding. We appearently have different concepts of the words "ideal" and "essential". "Essential" sounds to me as "below it you cannot live", while you equate essential to a sort of best-case-scenario. Note that the first 5% statement I made as not really based on any information but just a guess, so I probably did my part to up the confusion

dahermit · 04-10-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by right wing irish boy

OK people complain the health care is bad blah blah blah in Ireland obese people cost the government 400 million euro

is it too much to ask to go jogging for half a hour 4 or 5 days a week and to eat a salad 2 or three times a week and pasta instead off batter burger

i have no sympathy for fat people and they have only themselves to blame they should be charged when traveling on planes too i heard off a plane that crashed because too many obese people don't give me this crap well poor people don't have money to but healthy food does it cost to run

i eat healthy and unhealthy salad's pasta chicken and curry chips sauagases

but i have good body because i work out and plus packets off pasta only cost 2 euro hardly breaking the bank is it

When I see a post like this I am given to think that this person is motivated more by the fact that they see obese persons as unsightly more than they are concerned about the cost to the public, etc.

The rambling lack of structure and punctuation of the utterance indicates a person of semi-literate status or at least not as mature as an average adult's underwear. Thus, anything they espouse should be taken as suspect.

They seem to have missed the obvious parallel to addiction.

right wing irish boy · 04-12-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dahermit

When I see a post like this I am given to think that this person is motivated more by the fact that they see obese persons as unsightly more than they are concerned about the cost to the public, etc.

The rambling lack of structure and punctuation of the utterance indicates a person of semi-literate status or at least not as mature as an average adult's underwear. Thus, anything they espouse should be taken as suspect.

They seem to have missed the obvious parallel to addiction.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm because i don't spend ages trying to be smart on this i shouldn't have a point OK man point taken i from now on will use full stops the whole lot sorry i have not got a IQ off 300000000000000000000000000 gizilan as you please excuse my stupidity. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!