ambermosquito

After seeing some of the negative responses to Gore's nobel peace prize, I started to wonder about peoples attitudes to climate change.

So what does everyone think? Are people burying their heads in the sand and sleepwalking into disaster because they don't like the alternative? Is this a fuss about nothing/leftist conspiracy/inevitability?

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Agrippina

Hi there Amber
I see you're a conscript, welcome.
You should know how people are, if its a new idea it has to be leftist something or other. I am pleased for Al Gore, he deserves some recognition for losing the job I wanted him to have.
I think there's a lot of truth in what he says but I also think it's falling on deaf ears. People don't like bad news, they don't like to have to change habits. I don't know how you feel about having to separate your rubbish but I'm sure you know how people complain about it.
I am horrified about where I live, when we lived in Johannesburg we used to have a truck come around once a week to collect paper and we had a place to deposit bottles and plastic, so we only threw away real rubbish. When we moved to a holiday resort to retire, we were surprised that they came around with a tractor and trailer once a week to collect everything and that you had to put your garbage out in plastic bags. Then the people here have no compunction about throwing trash away in the sugar cane fields or at the side of the road, its disgusting. Even after we stopped our shops handing out plastic bags, making people buy them, they still throw them in the 'veld'. So its something that has to be taken very seriously from the ground level up - lecturing about all the statistics and future disasters is not going to work with ordinary people.

texas_tank

yes, welcome, jump right in.
...really? do you really want to go there?.. can you defend that.. really?..

...why?.. for stating a theory that the ice caps will melt?.. anyone could have made that prediction because the climates always changing..

look deep down itno your soul, and tell me the real reason why people are def to his cause.. its because he's a scham artist.. plain and simple.. he won the nobel peace prize over a woman that saved over 2500 lives..

i concur, however. recycling is a good thing.

Oregon Elephant

Oh bloody hell, it's too early on a Sunday morning for this. Gore shouldn't have won, the GW commity should have recieved the entire prize (that's my opinion).

On to what you said about the "scham artist," GW is major problem for the planet, but we're not anywhere near "Hell's gate" or on the brink of certain doom. Something needs to be done though before we get there, and people won't listen or change until the last moment, but this is an issue that you can't hold off until the last moment because of the huge lag that takes place with climate change. Gore went out (and it probably wasn't the brightest thing to do) and exaggerated and lied to make people do the right thing. But some people know that he exaggerated and so they are resisting, believeing that he lied about the whole thing.

People don't want to worry about the future, we live in a day and age that lives in the now, do what ever you want with no concequenses, if you get HIV, you're kust the poor victim and it can't possiblely be your fault. Or any other number of things (like teen pregnancies, drug addictions and so on). But this is something that is real and cannot not be over looked, changes need to be made, not for us, not for the children (dispite what all the bloody commercials say), not even their great grand children, but for all the next ten generations after that. Once the disasters begin (not the hurricanes, that was a political stunt, but the rising seas), if we haven't begun to change until that moment, it will take hundreds of years to correct.

v..

My letter to Mr Gore:



'Mr. Gore...be that one that strikes at the roots of evil'


Mr. Gore, I thank you for all the work you have done with global warming. But the contemplative life I live finds it joy in discovering truth - so truth is what I must give you Mr. Gore.

And while your efforts are most commendable at saving the ice caps...they are fruitless. You have not addressed the bigger problem that faces our earth and are stuck confusing the 'symptom' with the disease Mr. Gore.

My Buddhists friends have saying for this...'do not confuse the finger pointing at the moon with the moon'

Then again, I may be wrong and you only know too well about what I will tell you. You are simply 'being a politician' and being gracious. Unfortunately being gracious in this case is the same as being ignorant about the problem which is what most politicians normally do anyway...for knowledge without application is useless Mr. Gore.

Thoreau also had a saying that is apropos ...'a thousand will strike at the branches of evil, but only one may strike at the roots'...be that one Mr. Gore that strikes at the roots of evil.

You have the physical energy, you have the connections with money and bright friends. Start building that electric car or, at least a 125 mile per gallon plug in hybrid to start with...so the US can stop being destroyed by the oil companies and the US car makers. Call it 'America' or 'Hope' or whatever you like...but just do it.

Am I worried about paying $5 for gas for my own egoistic needs?

No, not by a long shot, I could really care less.

Am I worried about having America being raped and dismantled and turned into a hellhole...YES.

Now, if you happen to be the 'bitch' of the oil companies and the car makers this message will fall on deaf ears.

After all...where interest lies honor dies Mr. Gore.

So no one can blame you if you want to keep your lovers happy, it is just human nature. But like all relationships, some are healthy for us and some are not.

And you may be like me in the sense that you do not like being bothered with business affairs and stress? So the idea of heading the charge to bring such a radical vehicle to the market might not appeal to you. (Although I find that excuse 'too stressful and not interested in business' hard to believe with any politician that is addicted to stress, havoc and rasing money.)

But, let me give you a glimpses of the future Mr. Gore.

I see people living in houses (the lucky ones that survive, after all most of the population died off long ago) with roofs shingled completely with solar material.

They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may have a golf cart with a canopy made up of solar panels to back up some of the house charge.

They work for the government as most people do and in exchange the government feeds and clothes them from their warehouses.

Money?

Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished.

So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your ass?

Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than that.

Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink. After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a fraction of the population alive.

People pick pine needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to import Darjeeling any longer. The jet fuel was gobbled up by the military long ago. And once in a while people are able to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet.

Of course one problem still haunts the world Mr. Gore?

The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?

Am I too harsh in my evaluation Mr. Gore?

See:

Amazon.com: Out of Gas: The End of the Age of Oil: Books: David Goodstein

Amazon.com: Hubbert's Peak: The Impending World Oil Shortage: Books: Kenneth S. Deffeyes

David Strahan | Writer | Producer | Director

We can't depend on 'politics as usual' Mr. Gore and we can see nothing substantive will be done in the US to help our energy woes until it is too late.

Be honest with the American public about the extent of our problems. And in the process be that one champion that puts honor above all and strikes at the roots of evil Mr. Gore.

See:

'Who Killed The Electric Car'

Who Killed the Electric Car? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sony Pictures Classics Presents : Who Killed the Electric Car?

And in my effort, if you ignore what I say, maybe the Japanese or Chinese will help us out by building what America desperately needs as it breath is being sucked out it one barrel at a time.

Will the electric car fix all our woes no mater who builds it?

No, but at least it will give us some oxygen and a little more life, so we may 'try' to recover from the disease of overconsumption, overpopulation and the destruction of our planet.

For our own American companies prefer to destroy all that we find dear...and all in the name of some printed toilet paper called a federal reserve note.



Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
vfr44@aol.com

Moah

Gore gets a cold shoulder - Environment - smh.com.au

Basically what i believe

texas_tank

agreed.

Drnaline

Ditto!^^^^

LessGovMrPrez

Climate change is always happening. We as a species cannot stop it, nor can we create it. The very fact we ahve gone from calling it global cooling, to global warming, to now climate change shows how much of a load of crap this issue is.

We can no more save a planet then we can ourselves. We haven't created the technology to create, nor competely destroy climate. CO2 is only one factor in a whole slew of factors that is being singled out. You can't do that simply b/c CO2 is not independent of all the other factors involved. It is more complex then that.

texas_tank

once again, i agree.