Your Views on Americans - Page 16 - Political Forum

rakkasan · 05-11-2008, 11:56 AM

i have seen no concrete facts,........you listed a article in fucking the rolling stones

thats a banner for journalism .....

Taliesin · 05-11-2008, 03:22 PM

Sorry, I just offered the source that had them all listed out. I didn't think you needed more evidence. Here's some reading for you to enjoy:

2004 United States election voting controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Welcome to Vote2004.eRiposte.Com!

A Note On The Presidential Election in Ohio

Voter suppression charges on the rise - Nightly News with Brian Williams - MSNBC.com

The Free Press -- Independent News Media - Election Issues

John Allen Paulos - Exit Polls

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/1...crpv00oPt1.pdf

TomPaine.com - Kerry Won

I have more, just ask

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PayingAttention · 05-23-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rakkasan

bush didnt steal any election

the democrats were fucking morons, they nominated a war heroe who was better known for being a war protestor that in itself was the beginning of the end

dude from jump went with the wind on everything and had no principles during a time of war that was the last thing we needed as a country so people didnt vote him in

I am an independant i knew we needed a new president , but kerrrsy wasnt that guy for he was IMO worse than bush

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Originally Posted by rakkasan

i have seen no concrete facts,........you listed a article in fucking the rolling stones

thats a banner for journalism .....

Well, I think the above posts said it all about how I view some Americans!

GlobalSmiles · 05-24-2008, 12:32 AM

There is a real problem in America with both sides being too far to their individual sides. We are about to go from Bush to Obama most likely imo, Kerry? Gore? Same kind of choices, Obama is going to win this time because of just bad government and bad decision making. . but it still might be close and I think thats about the dread of the far left.

Bush ended up being something far worse then we thought eh would be, and I honestly believe that. I voted for the guy both times, the first time because of the fantastic successes he had in working with dems in Texas to get things done. . .No one remembers this it was so long ago, but I was there for it. . .It was a lot a like to the way people are talking about Obama now. . .a uniter. . .

By his second term it was known that he wasn't going to be that, but you are still leaving me with the choice of someone somewhat in a murky middle area vs. a far left position. . .So yea. . .

Now you basically have The Nation vs. Rushbo. . .What the hell kind of choice is that? Its the same damn thing for 3 elections from the dems. The republicans forgot that they are accountable for their action or lack thereof, so wth is someone with a middle position to do?

catawba · 05-24-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalSmiles

There is a real problem in America with both sides being too far to their individual sides. We are about to go from Bush to Obama most likely imo, Kerry? Gore? Same kind of choices, Obama is going to win this time because of just bad government and bad decision making. . but it still might be close and I think thats about the dread of the far left.

Bush ended up being something far worse then we thought eh would be, and I honestly believe that. I voted for the guy both times, the first time because of the fantastic successes he had in working with dems in Texas to get things done. . .No one remembers this it was so long ago, but I was there for it. . .It was a lot a like to the way people are talking about Obama now. . .a uniter. . .

By his second term it was known that he wasn't going to be that, but you are still leaving me with the choice of someone somewhat in a murky middle area vs. a far left position. . .So yea. . .

Now you basically have The Nation vs. Rushbo. . .What the hell kind of choice is that? Its the same damn thing for 3 elections from the dems. The republicans forgot that they are accountable for their action or lack thereof, so wth is someone with a middle position to do?

Glo, You know my choice this time around and I am very sure about it, but in every other election I have voted in during my life, I have always felt I had to pick the lesser of two evils, so I have a certain empathy for you on your decision.

However, I don't really expect you to be influenced by me (even though I try

. Just use your head and your heart and pick the one you determine will do the best for our country, which we both love! That's really all I can ask.

Parisyann · 05-24-2008, 03:18 AM

Can't ask anything but can quote a line read again in the IHT: "Feel with your brain and think with your heart"..

libertarian0507 · 05-24-2008, 05:52 AM

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Interesting. It is so unusual to hear anything positive about Americans from Australia. I know that Australians are among the most anti-American people in the world. Any American would be a fool to go to Australia. It is nice to see at least one reasonable person who understands that there are good as well as bad aspects to life in the US.

I have been to two different places in Australia, Brisbane, and Townsville, and I had a chance to talk with many different people about what they thought about Americans. While I met one woman who almost refused to talk to me in the bar due to the fact that I was a Yank, a majority of the people I met were very friendly and haad good things to say about the US. Even the ones I met who were vehemntly against foreign policy said that overall the US is a good country, and the populace, a good people.

libertarian0507 · 05-24-2008, 06:04 AM

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I think Americans would be much better respected in the world if they did not keep ramming democracy and freedom down everyone's throat at gunpoint and strutting around the world with a holier-than-thou attitude.

Yeah, you're right. We really need to stop advocating such horrible ideas like freedom and democracy. Jeeze, we would be much more liked if we held hands with people like Kim Jong Ill, and Ahmadinejad, agreed that N.Korea should have nukes, and hand all the Israelis over to Tehran. (just in case you missed it that was sarcastic)What if the US should just stop supporting Europes weak military and tell all the Rogue nations to attack? Do you think that Europes Military could really defend them?? Not likely. The reaason that the whole EU region has been so peaaceful and prosperous is because the US foots the bill for defense. It's easy to blame the US for always fighting, but then again the you don't see the EU stepping up to help all that much. Until you step up as Europe to help the US, I say Europeans have no room to talk about America's Defense policy, because while you are complaining, I'm still covering your ass.

PayingAttention · 05-24-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

Yeah, you're right. We really need to stop advocating such horrible ideas like freedom and democracy. Jeeze, we would be much more liked if we held hands with people like Kim Jong Ill, and Ahmadinejad, agreed that N.Korea should have nukes, and hand all the Israelis over to Tehran. (just in case you missed it that was sarcastic)What if the US should just stop supporting Europes weak military and tell all the Rogue nations to attack? Do you think that Europes Military could really defend them?? Not likely. The reaason that the whole EU region has been so peaaceful and prosperous is because the US foots the bill for defense. It's easy to blame the US for always fighting, but then again the you don't see the EU stepping up to help all that much. Until you step up as Europe to help the US, I say Europeans have no room to talk about America's Defense policy, because while you are complaining, I'm still covering your ass.

I am so sorry for forgetting to thank the US.

Thank you for inventing freedom and democracy.

Would that be the freedom that 45 million Americans have to not be able to afford health insurance?

Would that be the democracy that ensures you have no chance of being elected without getting obscene amounts of money from special interests?

And thank you for covering our rear ends.

Thank you for preventing 30 years of IRA terrorist attacks.
Thank you for preventing Germany from marching into Poland and the rest of Europe.
Thank you for preventing the 7/7 terrorists attacks in London.
Thank you for stepping in and preventing the London Blitz.

If it wasn't for the Americans looking after us, where would we be?

libertarian0507 · 05-24-2008, 02:17 PM

[quote=PayingAttention;183325]I am so sorry for forgetting to thank the US.

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Thank you for inventing freedom and democracy.

Never said this. Just said we defend it.

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Would that be the freedom that 45 million Americans have to not be able to afford health insurance?

This is a blatant lie, many Americans choose not to have medical insurance. BTW, the freedom to work and get health insurance instead of forcing people to pay for others who don't want to work. Oh, yeah, you can pay for that system because the U.S. takes care of your defense problems.

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Would that be the democracy that ensures you have no chance of being elected without getting obscene amounts of money from special interests?

Hey never said we were perfect, but yes, I think that there are many offices in the US that can be obtained with out special interests.

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And thank you for covering our rear ends
Thank you for preventing 30 years of IRA terrorist attacks.
Thank you for preventing Germany from marching into Poland and the rest of Europe.
Thank you for preventing the 7/7 terrorists attacks in London.
Thank you for stepping in and preventing the London Blitz.

Right, blame the U.S. for the UK inability to take care of a peice of Ireland they refuse to return. also blame the Americans for not getting involved in what was then a European war. I mean the almighty US should have been able to make a force field around London,right? Yeah, cuz we know where every terrorist is at all times.

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If it wasn't for the Americans looking after us, where would we be?

If we hadn't come in , not only Poland, but the UK would still be waving the swastika flag. If it wasn't for the US, the USSR would still be a nuclear threat against Europe. I never said the US was perfect, however I really get sick of anti-Americans going on and on about how horrible the US is , when they fail to mention how much we have done for the world. I mean, who designed the League of nations, to try to stop a second world war? And who (Europe) Started another one again? And then we had to come back into Europe to fix it AGAIN. If the US were to abandon Europe, it would be in deep S***.