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Old 04-30-2008, 11:19 AM
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How about not being "ruled" at all?
That could be the most scary thing I would think of
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My view on Americans? I can't generalize like that, but I can give you my view on America. I think with a culture submerged in blatant consumerism and commercialism, like North American culture, the so called "democratic" system of government depends on propaganda and constant advertisement, which leads many Americans (and Canadians) astray from their real beliefs. You can compare the Vietnam War to the Iraq war. American wars are no longer televised, reporters are not allowed without permission. Why? In Vietnam, reporters WERE allowed, and what happened then? "HELL NO I WON'T GO" that's what happened. Now you don't see any dead bodies in the Iraq war, just like you didn't in the Gulf War. I think that this example demonstrates how the American government has pulled the wool over the public eye and manipulated the media. So, if you hate Americans and think they are all bigot douchebags, you must take into consideration the constant advertisement that is present in a consumer and capitalist nation of its likes.

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I think Americans would be much better respected in the world if they did not keep ramming democracy and freedom down everyone's throat at gunpoint and strutting around the world with a holier-than-thou attitude.
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You can compare the Vietnam War to the Iraq war. American wars are no longer televised, reporters are not allowed without permission. Why? In Vietnam, reporters WERE allowed, and what happened then? "HELL NO I WON'T GO" that's what happened. Now you don't see any dead bodies in the Iraq war, just like you didn't in the Gulf War. I think that this example demonstrates how the American government has pulled the wool over the public eye and manipulated the media.
I think that you are seeing this in the wrong light. Yes, we don't see the dead bodies, but if your brother was shot to death, would you want his picture plastered all over the national media? I think that we've stopped broadcasting pictures of dead Americans not because the news media/government is trying to fool Americans, but because of our respect for the families of the deceased.

You're also wrong if you think that because we don't see the bodies, we don't oppose the war. I read the listed names of the dead in the New York Times every week. Support for the Iraq War in America is at an all-time low; less than 3 out of every 10 Americans support it. This has been the most active primary season in US history. Voting records for the Democratic Primaries were broken in every state. We hate the fact that we are mired in an aggressive, unending war. Americans are up in arms as they oppose the Iraq War through the political process. The Democrats gained majorities in the House and Senate in 2006 dispite nearly impossible odds. The Democrats appear to be poised to take the presidency and extend their majority in Congress this year as all the Democrats run on a platform in opposition to the Iraq War.

Just because we aren't marching down the streets with picket signs does not mean we aren't angry with our current government. Richard Nixon coined the phrase "silent majority". That is where you will find your opposition to the Iraq War here in the US. We speak through our votes, not a podium on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. We use democracy to fix our country.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:35 PM
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Just because we aren't marching down the streets with picket signs does not mean we aren't angry with our current government. Richard Nixon coined the phrase "silent majority". That is where you will find your opposition to the Iraq War here in the US. We speak through our votes, not a podium on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. We use democracy to fix our country.
So why was GWB re-elected in 2004 when the disasters of his foreign policy were already well known?

That re-election was the point where many in Europe lost respect for the American people.
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Old 05-09-2008, 11:54 PM
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You have a valid point there. I lost respect for my fellow Americans at that point as well. There were two main reasons why Bush won in 2004:

1) The Bush campaign effectivly destroyed any chance that Kerry had when they revealed all the lies and mistruths about his war record and statements. The commercials using the Swift Boaters resonated highly with Americans and caused them to distrust Kerry. Swift Vets and POWs for Truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Democrats made a poor choice in who to run against Bush.

2) Bush rigged Ohio. It's not a matter of conspiricy theory. It's a matter of fact. To quote from Was the 2004 Election Stolen? : Rolling Stone, "Officials [in Ohio] purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count."

So we really had to overcome the illegal and shadowy politics of the GOP simply to get to the ballot boxes. Bush is the greatest threat to American Democracy in existance. We realize that and that is why he will go down in history as the most unpopular president ever (27% approval rating was the lowest in history). America will start again this November.
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bush didnt steal any election

the democrats were fucking morons, they nominated a war heroe who was better known for being a war protestor that in itself was the beginning of the end

dude from jump went with the wind on everything and had no principles during a time of war that was the last thing we needed as a country so people didnt vote him in

I am an independant i knew we needed a new president , but kerrry wasnt that guy for he was IMO worse than bush
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bush didnt steal any election

the democrats were fucking morons, they nominated a war heroe who was better known for being a war protestor that in itself was the beginning of the end
The GOP was illegally derailing recounts, falsifying results, denying Democrats the right to vote, and creating false terrorist threats in Ohio. How does this not constitute stealing an election? I could list dozens of illegal activities that the Bush campaign pulled in Florida in 2000 as well. As I said, these are concrete facts, not theories or alegations. As far as I can see, this is a topic that cannot be debated unless you are willing to erase history from the books so that your arguement holds some water.

Yes the democrats were "fucking morons". In a campaign scripted for a Democrat victory, they managed to nominate one of the worst candidates that they could. The Democrats are well known for managing to lose no matter how heavy the odds are in their favor.
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