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Old 08-10-2007, 08:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The US were formed on the principles of the French revolution (1789), the American Constitution based on the French Declaration of the Rights of Man (1789) is a proof thereof ,worshipping the idea of the Count Montesquieu (LŽespritde loi 1748), and became a strong presidential republic,stronger than the French one itself , 1884 the statue of Liberty finally reched the New Continent from Le Havre ...
The constitutional system in the UK is in a striking contrast to all the constitutional principles of todays modern "law states" : while in the US both the President and the Supreme Court have the right of veto over the Congress laws and no Congressman can be a member of the government, in the UK in a sweet ignorance of all the constitutional separation of powers the Lord Chancellor is not only a key person of the government but also he is the Speaker of the House of Lords, and not only that - Montesquieu must be weeping in his grave because the Lord Chancellor is also the head of the Justice which means that all the three constitutional powers are in Britain concentrated in one person and in spite of that the UK is not only the state governed by the law but also the leading democracy in the world ....
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Old 08-10-2007, 08:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-10-2007, 09:24 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The Lord Chancellor is not that powerful figure at all. You have to understand that in Britain, politics works on tradition, not the actual rules. For example, the Queen can, by law, veto any law, and declare war. But she couldn't actually do that. In the same way, while the Lord Chancellor is officially head of the legal system, he isn't really, it's run partly by the Law Lords, partly by him, partly by Jack Straw (the Justice Minister) but mostly by precedent and tradition. And the Speaker of the House of Lords has no power at all.
Lord Chancellor is one of the less powerful ministers, nothing like the Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Justice Minister, Health Minister, or anything like that.
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The US were formed on the principles of the French revolution (1789), the American Constitution based on the French Declaration of the Rights of Man (1789) is a proof thereof ,worshipping the idea of the Count Montesquieu (LŽespritde loi 1748), and became a strong presidential republic,stronger than the French one itself , 1884 the statue of Liberty finally reched the New Continent from Le Havre ...
The constitutional system in the UK is in a striking contrast to all the constitutional principles of todays modern "law states" : while in the US both the President and the Supreme Court have the right of veto over the Congress laws and no Congressman can be a member of the government, in the UK in a sweet ignorance of all the constitutional separation of powers the Lord Chancellor is not only a key person of the government but also he is the Speaker of the House of Lords, and not only that - Montesquieu must be weeping in his grave because the Lord Chancellor is also the head of the Justice which means that all the three constitutional powers are in Britain concentrated in one person and in spite of that the UK is not only the state governed by the law but also the leading democracy in the world ....
May I ask, what is your source for this information?
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The US were formed on the principles of the French revolution (1789), the American Constitution based on the French Declaration of the Rights of Man (1789) is a proof thereof ,
Let's see. The U.S. Constitution was ratified in 1787, two years before the French Revolution. Factfinder, you need to work harder to find facts. If anything, we inspired the French Revolution, not the other way around.
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The Lord Chancellor is not that powerful figure at all. You have to understand that in Britain, politics works on tradition, not the actual rules. For example, the Queen can, by law, veto any law, and declare war. But she couldn't actually do that. In the same way, while the Lord Chancellor is officially head of the legal system, he isn't really, it's run partly by the Law Lords, partly by him, partly by Jack Straw (the Justice Minister) but mostly by precedent and tradition. And the Speaker of the House of Lords has no power at all.
Lord Chancellor is one of the less powerful ministers, nothing like the Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Justice Minister, Health Minister, or anything like that.
You forgot to mention the Sun newspaper. The media really rules the roost.
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Good point. Even the Prime Minister bows to the might of Murdoch...
Or at least the old one did. It seems like Gordon Brown might actually stop Murdoch getting his hands on ITV! But we'll have to wait and see.
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I excuse myself, I will try to find better about facts next time ...
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Old 08-14-2007, 03:29 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Immagine you're locked in a night-club filled with sinners, whores, and depraved things that rape pitbulls for fun.

And you're not allowed out untill you all vote on what you're going to do tonight.


So you vote television.



And everyone else, as far as the eye can see, votes to fuck you with switchblades.




Another democratic comparison:
You're taking an SAT score, it's a complicated math question, and there's only three answers.
You got your democrat answer, which is an even number
You got your republican answer, which is an odd number

You'd like to think it was the democrat, it's simple, probably estimated right, and gos right to the point.
But you know it's more likely the republican, complicated and unsatisfying.

The independant is a completely stupid answer that has nothing to do with the equasion like chocolate pudding.

"Hmmm.. well I know it's not pudding!"
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