JKD

what do you mean will it happen again? there's been Rwanda, Kosovo, Tibet, Burma Darfur, Kenya, South Africa, there's been so many other cases on a big scale.

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The Lying Dutchman

who gets the final word in deciding what are to be considered tyrannical governments and what are legitimate objectives for rebels? every government and rebel group will claim their cause as just and their violence as absolutely necessary.

bringing weapons to anyone who desires it does not seem to have improved anything in congo for example, id say it made it worse even. every discovery of a diamant-mine seems to result in local uprisings and a struggle for self governance. is it in the interest of everyone that everyone becomes self-sufficient? maybe in the US, not in these countries i'd say.

JKD

I just wonder, say in africa, if we left them to it, would they eventually kick out the corrupt governments eventually, and make a decent country, or would it stay like it is?

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africanhope

I will say this, once more, JKD, what you wonderif it will happen, has already happend, in many African countrieS (more than one, there are 53 African countries, actually, not one).

In the last decade, many African countries got rid of their dictaors, and aretryingto establish democracies. Just in the last year or two, notice the elctions in Liberia, Siera Leone, etc.

Also, woderful pro-democracy happenings in Nigeria (the old military rulrer did not getthe third term he wanted), Uganda, Mozambique, Angola, etc. etc. etc. Also the press never seem to report on stable democratic nations in Africa, like Botswana, like Namibia, like Malawi.

Where in the 1980's, Africa was full of dictators, they are, at last, becomming a dying breed. And it is the people of those countries themsleves that remove them.

AH

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BullMoose

Keep in mind that it wasn't just Jews who were killed systematically. Five million other peoples were massacred, about four million of whom were Slavs (Russians and Poles mainly). It bothers me when only one group is emphasized above the others, because all suffered under the hands of the Nazis and felt the same cruel and terribly cold hatred. Had Hitler his way, the Slavs would have died just as numerously as the Jews.

Don't forget the Armenian genocide, either, which was very much systematic in its attempted elimination of a minority.

JKD

Ok then, but you mention one african country which has a better quality of live than any European or North American countries, i don't think there is one, they maybe on their way to becoming one, but there is so many people in Africa, people will escape their own country to these free states, and create problems for the free states. There will be tons of illegal border crossings, no doubt so some people been killed all in all. And what about all of the diseases killing people in Africa, such as HIV, Even though a lot of people in Africa know that they have HIV, they have children, passing on the virus, so they can look after their farm etc, and so the chain continues, the childs having more children, that is why it is so crowded. What they need to do is establish a free state, like a few today in Africa, And at first, control the limit of immigrants slowly, making sure they all have a place to go etc. And slowly build it up from there. Looking at the state of Africa, this isn't going to happen overnight.

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defenderofthesmall

Holocausts are terrible events in histroy but if i said another one wasnt gonna happen sooner then later i would be lying

iTaliAN_ICe

I'm well aware that Jews weren't the only group targeted in the Holocaust. However, the Jews undeniably suffered the most. Over 60% of European Jews were killed in the holocaust... the number killed made up about 40% of all Jews in the world.

It was somewhat systematized because of things like the forced desert marches, but the Young Turks were far, far behind the Nazis in terms of systematization.

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