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04-19-2008, 07:45 AM
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The United States should be endorsing the right of all People to Keep and Bear Arms so that they can defend themselves against tyranny by their governments. An armed person always has the ability to defend themselves.
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Agreed. Sell them guns. (:
If I was unfortunate enough to live in an area where there was genocide against my people, I would rest more assured knowing there is a gun under my pillow so I can go down fighting. In all likelihood, American intervention will not solve the underlying conflict, and will merely complicate the situation for everybody. At best, such intervention will put the situation on pause.
What are we supposed to do? Station troops in every part of the world with conflict until people miraculously learn to get along and never kill each other? It can't be done.
If you mean the jews in Isreal, I'd say the conduct of their expansionist government makes a holocaust at the hands of islamic extremists more likely all the time.
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04-19-2008, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiva_TD
Based upon the ideals upon which America was founded (Declaration of Independence) it is the responsibility of the People to defend themselves against tyranny by government. It is their (the People's) right and duty to do so.
The United States should be endorsing the right of all People to Keep and Bear Arms so that they can defend themselves against tyranny by their governments. An armed person always has the ability to defend themselves.
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giving arms to all? how could this not result in more terrorist groups?
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04-19-2008, 08:11 AM
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giving arms to all? how could this not result in more terrorist groups?
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Because their victims will be armed and therefore able to defend themselves? I don't think guns give rise to terrorist groups. Fanatical nationalism and religious extremism do.
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04-19-2008, 08:45 AM
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Because their victims will be armed and therefore able to defend themselves? I don't think guns give rise to terrorist groups. Fanatical nationalism and religious extremism do.
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no? hows about africa where rebellion groups arise constantly? would you say providing all with arms has helped anyone in for example congo? just because the US believes in arming the people against a potentially repressive government doesnt mean that armed groups arising from the people themselves are justified.
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04-19-2008, 05:33 PM
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It has happened many times since the beginning of recorded history. The Caribbean Indians were plentiful at the time of Columbus's discovery. Now none are left. Carthaginians were slaughtered and fields sowed with salt. Armenians forced on death march to Syria, English slaughtered the Scottish Highlanders, British invented the concentration camp (women and children died by the hundreds) during the Boer War, etc., etc. It seems to be the nature of man to perpetrate genocide. It will happen again.
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Yes but not like the Nazi's
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04-19-2008, 05:35 PM
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What do you mean you can understand hitler's idea?
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Wanting to make a stronger race, almost speeding up evolution, but a terrible way to do it. But then maybe it was because he believed that he and his people were the only ones who deserved to live, yes that is probably it.
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04-19-2008, 05:36 PM
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You areassuming, quite wrongfully, that people in Africa does not have this right. Africans (in most countries i know off0 have the right to bear arms, that is a huge part of the problem!
If that is what you think the Us intervention should be, yeah, then we'd rather just notwant it, thanx!
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04-20-2008, 04:40 AM
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no? hows about africa where rebellion groups arise constantly? would you say providing all with arms has helped anyone in for example congo? just because the US believes in arming the people against a potentially repressive government doesnt mean that armed groups arising from the people themselves are justified.
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A potentially repressive government and a tyrannical government are two completely different things. If the government is actively sending troops into small towns and villages to rape the women and kill the villagers then the People have both the right and the duty to form militias in an attempt to combat and prevent such tyranny.
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04-20-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Change
Wanting to make a stronger race, almost speeding up evolution, but a terrible way to do it. But then maybe it was because he believed that he and his people were the only ones who deserved to live, yes that is probably it.
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Hmmm, so mistaken- purebreadism leads to birth defects, while crossbreeding leads to hybrid vigor.
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04-21-2008, 12:35 PM
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Hmmm, so mistaken- purebreadism leads to birth defects, while crossbreeding leads to hybrid vigor.
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Yes birth defects.
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