A new report states that Europe needs Turkey to join in order to maintain its prosperity. This year’s World Economic Forum will focus on the country’s economic and geo-strategic contributions to Europe.

Report: EU in economic need for Turkey | European Union Enlargement

I think they never let us go

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How do you think this should go? How could we force you not to go if you want to do so? (Whatever that means in detail)

And apart from the political disputes and issues, I guess no one is opposing that both the EU and Turkey cooperate economically like they do allready (at least).

Well, Democrasy is a good show but all we are adult enough to know the influence of business cycles on governing. They would tell the last word at the end.
I am also happy with the current level of relations, trade alone is good but EU would desperately need educated labor in 10-15 years and mobility of labor would require politic unity. All continent including russia and ukraine have population decline problem. Russia started to promote islam that encourages ppl for more baby booms.

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WEB, Temporarily yes, but over all population of Europe is descreasing and getting old including Poland, Romania and Bulgaria while their economy is growing. And the rate of getting out of labor age is much more higher than population decline rate. At short old ppl of old continent.
North african immigrants etc.. are less educated , more problemic and much more into crime comparing to average Turkish ppl.
In the other hand, EU would attract most of the well educated modern ppl of Turkey with attractive wages and this wouldn't be good for Turkey. Now, thanks God EU have a strict visa regime for Turks.
Already our best scientists, doctors etc.. immigrated to USA.

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Well, to tackle that problem, we do not from the start away need political unity with others, a European green card system would be a a good thing for the beginning too.

Europe does not really encourage immigration of qualified people, not to say, that in Europe many academics who imigrated are forced to do very bad unqualified work because of a complete lack of appreciation of their academic degrees. No wonder that you dont attract more qualifed people that way...

Slarti , yes, a greencard like system could be a solution but I think Europe should be used to the multiculture, multi-etnicity before it. I had very qualified friends (one was my ex. gf.), they had options for both europe and US and all of them choose US. Because for example in germany, if you are foreigner, you can be 2.generation, well integrated, got citizenship but you are still foreigner, maybe you wouldn't face any open discrimination but you can feel it.
BTW, European economy is less competitive in general because of costly labor, short working hours, high taxes. With the current structure it can only further grow in internal markets, so europe should always expand its local market with additional members, membership increase the wage levels in new members (because the demand of labor) , that means a lot of new ppl for further consumption or further sales. Once these new markets reach the satisfaction point, get the next one in the waiting room as a new member.

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You have some points here.
I have allready seen some Turkish academics here in Vienna at the universties. Many (or most) of them are from Istanbul. But you are right that they probably stand in no relation to the number of low qualified immigrants from Turkey.

But I would not be too overly enthusiastic regarding the US nowadays. Islamophobia is getting there even worse than in Europe. You are automatically a suspect and if you are not only a muslim but happen to slightly look like one, you will for sure also face a certain amount of resentiments if not even discriminations.

Well, we certainly have not the outmost competitive economy in general. But when it comes to the production sector, we are still ways better off than the US. And that we do mostly serve internal markets is not true. Europe has a balanced trade balance. And that even though it imports masses of energy and resources.

I disagree that Europe has to enlarge forwever just to keep its economy running. Even the more, I dont see the principal economic necessity to enlarge politically even with your argument.

If your argument would work it would climate into a happy world scenario where the whole world would be member of the EU and live at its level of life quality.

That is somehow true, I think if my friends would have arabic look darker skin or religious look, they could exprience such troubles. But my ex.gf. has bosnian roots, doesn't look middle eastern etc...

It is the globalisation. Whole World ? yes it is the final target. Fulfill some certain requirements of capitalist economy just like free market, western type democrasy, give up all elements which could drive to economic instability like territory disputes, than join the game. It is matter of time a custom union between EU zone and NAFTA zone. Than mercosur will come, than Shangai conference etc..
Why do you think US spending such effort in M.E., they have enough income for such trade unions but they don't fit any other crtiterias. They need democrasy

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But who says that the EU is determined to be a tool of globalisation? Thats not a fixum. Its just currently the case that all in all the EU is rather pro globalisation and free trade. But even currently its not completely into free trade, as also the US is not really.

And to be honest I am not sure if a total free trade can even work. Its more a theoretical concept, like the absolutely free market is one.

Once upon a time, common markets were also theoretical.

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