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05-01-2008, 01:29 PM
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Is the Republic of Turkey really a part of Western Civilization?
Asiatic mode of Production is a form of pre-capitalistic production and it includes all production types until end of feudal stage.
Asiatic mode of Production caused despotic form of governments in Oriental societies and this fact is named as Oriental Despotism by sociologists. Sociologists have observed for a long time that Oriental Despotic states have anti-democratic regimes in history of mankind.Ottoman Empire was also an example of Oriental Despotism in history and Turkish Republic is successor of Oriental Despotic Ottoman Empire and ,for this reason, Turkish Republic isn't a part of Western Democracies.
So, I want to ask you an important question for the future of mankind. Must Turkey really be a part of Western Civilization and should Turkey really join to the European Union? Do you really believe that Turkey is a part of Western Civilization?
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05-01-2008, 05:16 PM
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I've always seen Turkey as a combination of eastern and western cultures. Because of Ataturk and his dedication to secularism and democracy, though, I'd say Turkey is more like part of the West than it is part of the East. EU membership is very possible, though I personally dislike the EU because of its opposition to capital punishment.
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05-01-2008, 05:44 PM
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I've always seen Turkey as a combination of eastern and western cultures. Because of Ataturk and his dedication to secularism and democracy, though, I'd say Turkey is more like part of the West than it is part of the East. EU membership is very possible, though I personally dislike the EU because of its opposition to capital punishment.
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I accept Turkey is both European and Asian,but I disagree again with you about some other subjects,because I think Turkey isn't more European and even it is closer to peoples of the Middle East than Europeans. Culture of Europeans are the most different from Turkish traditions and culture. I think EU membership of Turkey is a more difficult situation at the moment,because Germany and Freanch don't want that Turkey joins to European Union.Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy are the most hypocritical people and they say lie to American government about EU membership of Turkey.
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05-01-2008, 05:50 PM
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though I personally dislike the EU because of its opposition to capital punishment.
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than you must dislike quite some countries on this planet 
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05-01-2008, 05:52 PM
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I think in terms of geography turkey is more an asian country, but in terms of political orientation.. i wouldnt know. it has been half a century that they aspire membership, they dont seem to be so enthusiastic towards its eastern neighbours.
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05-01-2008, 06:15 PM
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I think in terms of geography turkey is more an asian country, but in terms of political orientation.. i wouldnt know. it has been half a century that they aspire membership, they dont seem to be so enthusiastic towards its eastern neighbours.
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Turkish politicians aspire that Turkey joins to EU, but most of ordinary Turkish people don't want to join to European Union. Despite this fact, Turkish politicians and media continuously say lie to both Europeans and Turks. A lot of important Turkish people like university rectors, Generals and artists don't want EU membership of Turkey. Media have brainwashed for a long time about this subject like I said.
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05-01-2008, 06:29 PM
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than you must dislike quite some countries on this planet 
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Well, I dislike the movement to abolish capital punishment, that's for sure. 
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Originally Posted by Tinkerbell
Asiatic mode of Production is a form of pre-capitalistic production and it includes all production types until end of feudal stage.
Asiatic mode of Production caused despotic form of governments in Oriental societies and this fact is named as Oriental Despotism by sociologists. Sociologists have observed for a long time that Oriental Despotic states have anti-democratic regimes in history of mankind.Ottoman Empire was also an example of Oriental Despotism in history and Turkish Republic is successor of Oriental Despotic Ottoman Empire and ,for this reason, Turkish Republic isn't a part of Western Democracies.
So, I want to ask you an important question for the future of mankind. Must Turkey really be a part of Western Civilization and should Turkey really join to the European Union? Do you really believe that Turkey is a part of Western Civilization?
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I am no specialist but I would say, first, to try to answer the question of this thread, that it all depends on what you call Western Civilization... Despotism existed anywhere and still exists today pretty much anywhere... As to Turkey joining the EU again it all depends, except that I am even more ignorant on the subject... Just to try myself at saying what Western Civilization means, I would say that, today, it is a mix of many different civilizations having identical ideals such as human rights, etc. but then calling it Western does not make sense did it make any. 
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05-02-2008, 05:49 AM
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I am no specialist but I would say, first, to try to answer the question of this thread, that it all depends on what you call Western Civilization... Despotism existed anywhere and still exists today pretty much anywhere... As to Turkey joining the EU again it all depends, except that I am even more ignorant on the subject... Just to try myself at saying what Western Civilization means, I would say that, today, it is a mix of many different civilizations having identical ideals such as human rights, etc. but then calling it Western does not make sense did it make any. 
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I disagree that "western civilization" is a mix of many different civilizations having identical ideals such as human rights, because the USA is a part of western civilization, but there is still death penalty there. Besides, a lot of representatives of European Union have secretly supported Kurdish separatist terrorists and their illegal organization called PKK in Turkey for not joining to EU of Turkey for a long time. Is supporting PKK human rights?Representatives of European parliament is the most hypocritical politicians, because both they support PKK and they talk about human rights.
I think Europeans hate Turkey, because both majority of Turkey believe Islam and other traditions, values, culture and ethnicity of Turkey are more different than Europe. 
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05-02-2008, 05:56 AM
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Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy are the most hypocritical people and they say lie to American government about EU membership of Turkey.
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Could you expand on that a bit for me? ATM I'm having a hard time following you.
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