Yes of course...a Union that has effectively prevented further wars in Europe since WW2 and brought many other positive aspects with it is definitely not worth it, since it opposes killing being legal

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Angela Merkel said politicians of countries like England in the past that Germany should develop good relations with Turkey,but then she said members of Turkish parliament that Turkey isn't European, it hasn't shared values with European Union and ,for this reason, Turkey won't be able to join to EU.According to her,Turkey won't never join to EU,but she says English and American politicians that Germany has been in good relations with Turkey at the same time.

I would argue that it was the cold war itself that preserved peace, and not the EU. Who would dare to attack eastern europe and Russia that won the last major war? During that time lifestyle changed, people got more informed and less susceptible to war propaganda. Now it's harder to manipulate masses into a war in europe, due to freedom of press. Starting a war in europe now would mean probably loosing much more than gaining. Serbia is the most recent example.

Developing good relations doesn't mean acceptance in the EU. Germans simply don't want more Turks to settle in Germany, since they integrate very slowly. I think people in europe are more xenophobic than in USA, also more discriminating towards immigrants especially those of muslim or african background (arriving from Africa, not those from USA). They want their countries to stay the same, keep current culture and language.

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No loyalty towards the EU.

In Russia is freedom of speech. In America is also freedom after speech. -- Yakov Smirnoff

It was the European Steel and Coal Union, nowadays in essence the EU, that for the first time introduced a supranational organisation that made it impossible for France and Germany to rearm (which obviously needs lots of steel and coal) without the other one noticing.

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Sorry to say but from what I have gathered so far you seem to disagree a lot... So ok you disagree with my definition of "western civilization"... Before we go any further, would you care to tell me what you do agree on... What do you mean by "western civilization"???

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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.

I also think that Europeans are more xenophobic than people in the USA and they are more discriminating against different cultures and ethnicities. Even I can easily say most of Europeans have still been racist. There is still a racist party called NPD in Germany. I think most of "Europeans" (especially Frenchmen and Germans) would kill both me and you if they can do it.

Well, I can only speak for my corner of europe but I've never seen any evidence of racism or xenophobia first hand; you don't even hear about it much on the national news. Yep, some people are racist/xenophobic idiots, and some parties such as the BNP want an end to immigration etc full stop - but they are very much an isolated minority in Britain, and you'll get them anywhere in the world.

I couldn't really speak either way for continental europe as I have very little experience of it except as a tourist with a very poor grasp of french and german. But certainly where I live there's a hell of a lot more tolerance than intolerance, so much so that I've never seen the latter.

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You can't help people being right for the wrong reasons. This fear of finding oneslef in bad company is not an expression of political purity; it is an expression of a lack of self-confidence.

Perhaps I can agree with you about existing despotism today.I think Turkey a despotic and an anti-democratic country,for this reason,Turkey isn't a part of European Union.
I mean western civilization as an economic and cultural union.European culture includes a shared language with Catholic and Protestant Christianity.All europeans use Latin alphabet (not Cyrillic, Arabic or Japan alphabet).I think western civilization is all of these.

Me too, I can only speak for my side of Europe; but I pretty much agree with everything been said by ambermosquito in his/her post. I would say that it is about the same in France with probably a lot less tolerance than in Great Brittain. Just to add my little sauce: I think the more tolerant place in France is Brittany; but, again, it might be just because of the presence of Brits.

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"History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake" - Ulysses, James Joyce.

Relations between Turkey and England are relatively better that English racists are a minority there,but I can't say same thing for Germany,because recently some Turks in Germany were killed by Germans and perhaps they were racist.