It's ridiculous to claim Abchazian aircraft shot it down. Abchazia is not recognized by anyone, not even Russia, so it can't buy aircrafts. It doesn't even have enough money for buying or maintaining them. What airport did the aircraft start from?

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i dont think Russia will get better freedom o r peaceful with Vladimir putin still in powver.

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Abchazia is not a village it's a boundary territory of Georgia and of cource it has military aviation and airfields. That Mig could be one of the aircrafts left after USSR.
And note that Russian vehicles don't need big cash for maintaining. Many defects could be fixed by a hammer and a screwdriver that's why our war technics is so popular in the world and first of all in "poor" countries.

He is no longer in power: 7th of May will be an inauguration day for Dmitry Medvedev, our new president. Although he supports Putin's cource, he's not the same as Putin.
Putin will become a prime minister but in our country president has more power and importance.

Abchazia is too small to fly such an aircraft without violating somebody's airspace. You would have to constantly fly in circles. I doubt any migs were left after USSR there, they could have been left in Georgia but not Abchazia. These aircraft need fuel and ammunition too. It's not true mig29 requires almost no maintenance or is simple to fix. Slovakia had 18 of them and over time only like 5 were left operational (others had technical problems and were removed from service). If Slovakia can't fix them, I doubt Abchazia can.

I don't know why you keep advocating this excuse. It's highly probable that mig was Russian, and piloted by a Russian. Whether Russians "donated" the mig with the pilot to "serve" in Abchazia is irelevant.

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That "MiG" really could be piloted by Russian because most people in Abchzia & S. Osetia have Russian passports that means they are Russian. NATO's radars showed that "MiG" came from airfield of Gudauta (Abchazia). Gudauta's airfield is a part of USSR's military airbase, why do you think there couldn't be left an aircraft.
Fuel and ammunition are easy to buy (the rocket was used there costs $ 200 000 that is suitable to destroy UAV estimated $4 000 000). Lifetime of such missile is over 20 years (may be it's soviet's too).
I don't know why you keep advocating Georgia. It's highly probable that "mig" (but it was even not a mig but L-39 - militaryeducational airplane) was Abchazian, and piloted by an Abchazian.

$200 000 is quite a lot for a poor region comprised of a couple of villages. A suggestion it was L-39 is ridiculous, since the video footage shows something completely different. Everybody knows Russian government uses dirty tricks to bully and blackmail its neighbours, that's why many neighbouring countries have hostile relationship towards Russia. Russian government simply can't swallow many neighbouring countries don't want to have anything with Russia anymore, and are seeking protection of NATO. I find it amusing when Russians criticize USA, when their own government is much worse.

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You're a fool if you think Abchazia is a couple of villages!!! So if you're so stupid in geography I can tell you that square of Abchazia is over 1/4 of Slovakia. Its capital - Suchumi - one of the largest Georgian cities and is a perfect recreation place. Abchazia makes money on agreeculture (fruits and elite tobacco).
Have you ever seen both Mig 29 and L-39? I think no but I have. The low quality of the video doesn't let you & me to say exactly was it Mig or not.
Russia has easier ways to "bully" its neighbours. (Georgia is fully supplied by our oil & gas, and much by our electricity) And if you were not so fool as you are you would have acceded to me.

Not countries but their governments are seeking protection of NATO:
-most Ukrainians are agaist NATO, and Ukraine consitution doesn't let to posess military bases of any other counries and unions but Ukr. itself
-Georgian gov. & president take a pay from USA, sure they want to continue by entering NATO. I guess you don't know that there was anti-NATO demonstrations too that were rude trampled by USA-paid police;

And why the West doesn't pay attention on Human rights violation in Georgia, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania where Russians and Russian language are oppressed? Their governments and liders are not better than Milosevic and Saddam were.
Why your brilliant USA doesn't bomb them?
Did you really upholded murders of Serbian (they are Slavs too) in 1999-2000 and Iraq people by USA war machine?
We criticize they attack anyone they want without any valuable reason, spitting UN opinion. And how can you be sure than that they won't come for you tomorrow? You are stupid if you think that they are good partners and friends. The only thing they want is momey and raw!

You would be surprised but I made a screenshot for you so that you can see the twin tail of the aircraft. L-39 has completely different wing/tail configuration. I cannot tell whether it is mig-29 or su-27 or some newer version, but it's definitely a twin tail aircraft. It's unlikely Georgia would be shooting down its own expensive equipment.

Russia regularly bullies Ukraine and Belarus with gas so it may also use this tactic against Georgia. After all, it already tried banning Georgians from Russia, cancelling direct flights, and accusing Georgia of planning attack on Abchazia with 1500 troops and policemen. Abchazia is 1/5th of Slovakia, but it has only about 200 000 population. It's almost impossible that such a poor, small country would be able to buy, and maintain mig-29s on its own. It's more likely Russia is suplying fighters, fuel and spare parts to abchazia to keep it separate from Georgia. Russia has no right to complain about separation of Kosovo, when it attempts the same in Abchazia.

But they elected Yuschenko and Julia, so they are authorized to take the country to NATO. But I already heard, that if they did so, Russia would attempt to sow discontent in eastern ukraine, in attempt to break it away from Ukraine. Does't sound very peaceful to me.

Since Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were occupied by Russia, and many Russians were relocated there by communists forcefully against the will of local population, they have right to request from these ethnic Russians to learn Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian if they want citizenship. If I went to another country, I would gladly learn their language. But Russians there only cause trouble.

In my opinion Serbs are too radical and nationalist, and therefore cannot be admitted into the EU before their nationalism is broken. If they prefer to ally with Russia, I have no problem with that.

Since you are resorting to insults, I'm done with this topic. I presented a proof, while you merely propaganda which is supplied by Russian government, and I'm not interested in that.

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@ ssorov

Here at Political Forum US & World, our number one rule is "Discuss the Issue, Not the Poster." We have received complaints about your condescending and abrasive demeanor and while reviewing your posts, I found many examples of personal attacks, outlandish and controversial remarks, offensive generalizations, etc. Following are only a few examples:
The comments above were all from one post. Here's another blatant example of your defiance of our policy:
A condescending generalization against every potential participant in that particular thread. Your comments are low-quality, low-class and they are non-contributory to this forum. We promote and encourage civil discussion. You have failed utterly to abide by our rules, and have thus outworn your welcome here.

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