The proof's in the pudding -but I hope you are correct. I'd be quite happy to find out that it's all a foolish conspiracy theory. It happens or it doesn't -It happened twice -to think it can't happen again is dangerous. You are correct that the same applies to any power/political entity.

(declassified, of course)

S E C R E T

SUPREME HEADQUARTERS

ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE

Office of Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2

7 November 1944

INTELLIGENCE REPORT NO. EW-Pa 128

SUBJECT: Plans of German industrialists to engage in underground
activity after Germany’s defeat; flow of capital to neutral countries.

SOURCE: Agent of French Deuxieme Bureau, recommended by Commandant Zindel. This agent is regarded as reliable and has worked for the French on German problems since 1916. He was in close contact with the Germans, particularly industrialists, during the occupation of France and he visited Germany as late as August, 1944.

1. A meeting of the principal German industrialists with interests in France was held on August 10, 1944, in the Hotel Rotes Haus in Strasbourg, France, and attended by the informant indicated above as the source. Among those present were the following:

Dr. Scheid, who presided, holding the rank of S.S. Obergruppenfuhrer and Director of the Heche (Hermandorff & Schonburg) Company

Dr. Kaspar, representing Krupp

Dr. Tolle, representing Rochling

Dr. Sinderen, representing Messerschmitt

Drs. Kopp, Vier and Beerwanger, representing Rheinmetall

Captain Haberkorn and Dr. Ruhe, representing Bussing

Drs. Ellenmayer and Kardos, representing Volkswagenwerk

Engineers Drose, Yanchew and Koppshem, representing various

factories in Posen, Poland (Drose, Yanchew and Co.,

Brown-Boveri, Herkuleswerke, Buschwerke, and Stadtwerke)

Captain Dornbuach, head of the Industrial Inspection Section at Posen

Dr. Meyer, an official of the German Naval Ministry in Paris

Dr. Strossner, of the Ministry of Armament, Paris.

2. Dr. Scheid stated that all industrial material in France was to be evacuated to Germany immediately. The battle of France was lost for Germany and now the defense of the Siegried Line was the main problem. From now on also German industry must realize that the war cannot be won and that it must take steps in preparation for a post-war commercial campaign. Each industrialist must make contacts and alliances with foreign firms, but this must be done individually and without attracting any suspicion. Moreover, the ground would have to be laid on the financial level for borrowing considerable sums from foreign countries after the war. As examples of the kind of penetration which had been most useful in the past, Dr. Scheid cited the fact that patents for stainless steel belonged to the Chemical Foundation, Inc., New York, and the Krupp company of Germany jointly and that the U.S. Steel Corporation, Carnegie Illinois, American Steel and Wire, and national Tube, etc. were thereby under an obligation to work with the Krupp concern. He also cited the Zeiss Company, the Leisa Company and the Hamburg-American Line as firms which had been especially effective in protecting German interests abroad and gave their New York addresses to the industrialists at this meeting.

3. Following this meeting a smaller one was held presided over by Dr. Bosse of the German Armaments Ministry and attended only by representatives of Hecho, Krupp and Rochling. At this second meeting it was stated that the Nazi Party had informed the industrialists that the war was practically lost but that it would continue until a guarantee of the unity of Germany could be obtained. German industrialists must, it was said, through their exports increase the strength of Germany. They must also prepare themselves to finance the Nazi Party which would be forced to go underground as Maquis (in Gebirgaverteidigungastellen gehen). From now on the government would allocate large sums to industrialists so that each could establish a secure post-war foundation in foreign countries. Existing financial reserves in foreign countries must be placed at the disposal of the Party so that a strong German Empire can be created after the defeat. It is also immediately required that the large factories in Germany create small technical offices or research bureaus which would be absolutely independent and have no known connection with the factory. These bureaus will receive plans and drawings of new weapons as well as documents which they need to continue their research and which must not be allowed to fall into the hands of the enemy. These offices are to be established in large cities where they can be most successfully hidden as well as in little villages near sources of hydro-electric power where they can pretend to be studying the development of water resources. The existence of these is to be known only by very few people in each industry and by chiefs of the Nazi Party. Each office will have a liaison agent with the Party. As soon as the Party becomes strong enough to re-establish its control over Germany the industrialists will be paid for their effort and cooperation by concessions and orders.

4. These meetings seem to indicate that the prohibition against the export of capital which was rigorously enforced until now has been completely withdrawn and replaced by a new Nazi policy whereby industrialists with government assistance will export as much of their capital as possible. Previously exports of capital by German industrialists to neutral countries had to be accomplished rather surreptitiously and by means of special influence. Now the Nazi party stands behind the industrialists and urges them to save themselves by getting funds outside Germany and at the same time to advance the Party’s plans for its post-war operation. This freedom given to the industrialists further coments their relations with the Party by giving them a measure of protection.

5. The German industrialists are not only buying agricultural property in Germany but are placing their funds abroad, particularly in neutral countries. Two main banks through which this export of capital operates are the Basler Handelsbank and the Schweizerische Kreditanstalt of Zurich. Also there are a number of agencies in Switzerland which for a five per cent commission buy property in Switzerland, using a Swiss cloak.

6. After the defeat of Germany and the Nazi Party recognizes that certain of its best known leaders will be condemned as war criminals. However, in cooperation with the industrialists it is arranging to place its less conspicuous but most important members in positions with various German factories as technical experts or members of its research and designing offices.

For the A.C. of S., G-2.

WALTER K. SCHWINN

G-2, Economic Section

Prepared by

MELVIN M. ***EN

Distribution:

Same as EW-Pa 1,

U.S. Political Adviser, SHAEF

British Political Adviser, SHAEF

Everything you buy at the supermarket that in any form came in touch with genetically manipulated stuff has to be labeled. Heck, even dogfood that contains genetically manipulated stuff has to be labeled as such.

The restaurant thing is a valid concern though, but you can always ask or go to place where you are sure that they don't sell genetically manipulated stuff - either some whole foods chain or restaurants where you know that their produce is regionally bought.

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Much of the EU's appeal comes from its "green"ness, and they have used it quite effectively to draw attention to others' non -"green"ness. While I think that such issues are extremely important -as some of the things we do also alter our own DNA irreversibly -not to mention the fact that we have no idea the long-term effects eating genetically altered food will have on our own species, these issues should not blind us to other issues. Few come to power as champions of unpopular or obviously destructive causes -but, as with any power, we ought to see every angle and be always vigilant. With men, there are few beautiful things which -left untended -can not turn quite ugly.

The EU is too comfortable and does not want to be bothered.

It does not want to recognise that Russia will never change (into a democracy), it seeks world domination.

The Soviet Union broke an agreement of the Potsdam Conference, namely its undertaking not to mark its western borders and not to incorporate Koenigsberg and adjacent area into the USSR in advance of the final peace settlement, which, in fact, never took place. The neighbouring states of Lithuania, Poland and Germany, as well as the Scandinavian states, are deeply interested in the demilitarisation of the region. The Balts welcomed the US Congress resolution demanding the withdrawal of Russian troops from the region, which was unanimously passed in 1996. However, almost nothing appears to have happened since, as the Russian army is still there and the pollution of the Baltic Sea still continues on a critical scale. The international community, particularly the European Union, whose economic aid to Russia totalled more than ?1,1b [$1b], must attach conditions to this aid to require that Russia withdraws its army and security forces from the region.

NO LEGAL DOCUMENT EXISTS GRANTING KOENIGSBERG REGION TO RUSSIA
Russia has never apologised for what it did there - exterminated almost
2,000, 000 Germans, Jews and Lithuanians. Renamed all cities and rivers/lakes in Russian names, destroyed historical buildings and turned the land into crime/drug/AIDS zone amassing huge military presence at the same time.

It poses threat and danger to neighboring countries and the EU.

If Russia is trying to have a human face - why it has not recognised the atrocities it commited after WWII? It portrays itself as a democracy but invests new oil & gas dollars into its military machine and massive attack of propaganda through its media channels - one to the West, another to Baltics and yet another to Ukraine, etc. IS THIS A PEACE SEEKING NATION?

How about Chechnya?

This country is full of lies and the Western countries have made a sad record in believing those lies

Well thats fine that the US congress decided something unanimously. But its the wrong Parliament. If the Knesset decides what should happen in Spain it would have as much significance from a legal perspective.

I really can understand that the nordic and baltic countries would be interested in the demilitarization of Kaliningrad, but thats the sovereign decision of the Russian state.

The relations between Russia and the EU are a little bit more complex than just that foreign aid you talk about. Its not like the EU could bully Russia around as it likes. (the same for the other direction of course)

Well, Kaliningrad is just one among countless regions for Germans in this regard. No one gets enraged about Breslau and co either anymore. For Austrians in this regard Brünn is most important. So what its today Brno and its completely Czech nowadays. It would not do any good to bury out all unnecessary conflicts.

Doesn't the Potsdam agreement together with these documents ( 1 , 2 ) suffice?

I guess we simply have to live with the fact of having a big neighbour in the east. Nothing will change that.

I would call that a normal nation. Look at Australia how long it took for them to excuse for their crimes against the Aborigines. Look at Canada how long they needed. I am not sure if even some Scandinavian countries have some burried corpses in this regard.

Chechnya is a chapter on its own. Its a bad chapter that derived from the dissolution of the Soviet empire. The state thought and it did not without reason, that it has to stop the process of falling apart at some point. Of course the crimes that took place in that war (and not only from the Russian side) were huge. But you can't translate that into an expansionist Russia.

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"Every country gets the cuisine it deserves"

I hate the EU. It get more and more a dictatorship. The EU don´t care about the problems of the people. Fat politicians in brussel make decissions and they have no base.

I´m for a europe of nations, not for an empire. EU does nothing for the basque people.
How can a british or polish politician, who never was in our area decide, whats best for us??????

Quote : /EU does nothing for the basque people.




So i guess EU subventions were forced upon Basques and the export of goods through open borders is irrelevant to the basque economy ?



Quote : /How can a british or polish politician, who never was in our area decide, whats best for us??????



Please provide examples where a british or polish politician has made decisions for the basque people.