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Originally Posted by jaro
Does that include the Lakota native american tribe who keep asking the US government for independence?
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Who are the largest Native American group and make up less than 100,000. Gee, there are more Swede-Americans in the small state of Maine than there are Lakota Indians.
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Originally Posted by nerv14
sure, but I am just unsure of the size of the Lakota population. If it is only a few thousand than they shouldn't be allowed their own country. Also, a factor would be how much land they own because they can't steal land from other people and create their own nation.
The only contradiction in my statement was that I supported the Union in the Civil War, I will admit that.
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Their claims are that the white man stole Indian lands and should return them, but their population is relatively insignifigant. By the standards you've set, we'd much sooner see Irish Boston (or the Texans) declare independence than we would see Lakota Indians.
To the civil war, that is a pretty bad contradiction. Northern Ireland is a relatively small area, with a relatively small group of people (a few million, correct?). The South declared independence, mostly due to unfair taxes (see wikipedia on the morrill tarriff, an import tarriff at which point the South, with a little over 1/4 the American citizens, paid some 80% of the taxes collected). It was a tarriff designed to force Southerners, who live on agriculture (i.e. King Cotton), to stop buying their finished products from Britain and start buying lower quality, more expensive products from the Northern Industries. The Federal government was helping the North at the cost of the South.
This war was not about slavery, the abolition was a bi-product of it. Lincoln said repeatedly that he was fighting to maintain the Union (compare to Britain fighting to maintain the Union, denying independence to Americans, Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, except in this case the bloodshed was much worse). Ulysses S. Grant, the commander of the Union Army, said that if the Civil War was to abolish slavery he'd fight for the South. Many Southern leaders denounced slavery and freed slaves, such as Lee, Jackson and Longstreet. The war wasn't about slavery, you need to forget that sentiment.
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