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Old 03-22-2008, 10:53 PM
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When I went to school I took multiple history classes, granted it haas been a while. I took World Geography, World History, US history, Introduction to Government, and US Government.
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:20 PM
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interesting thread drake. do you which regions tend to favor which method ?
Actually I may have overstated that a bit. Iowa--the state I live in--is the only remaining state that does not have unified curriculum standards (based on the principle of local control). Although state standards are going to be in place here next year. As far as I know, every state has a state-wide "world history" requirement. But some schools still treat this as a western civ course with a few non-western items mixed but fundamentally a Eurocentric narrative of human history.
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:23 PM
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Kazikli Bey - That seems like an really different way of doing it. Although I do know quite a bit about how the British system works and the empahsis there seems to be on historical skills rather than on content knowledge. It appears that Australia may have the same philosophy.
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history clases here are mainly about western europe. the middle ages and the rennaisance, the dynasties in europe and their empires, the french revolution, WW1 and 2, the post-war reconstruction, cold war and the colonisation of indonesia.
more eurocentric than most of us liked, we hardly learned anything about the independence of US for example.
and content mattered more than skill.
Same here, also about the colonisation of the former "Kongo Belge/Belgisch Kongo"... which was in fact a lot of disinformation according to today's standards.
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In SA History is a conmpulsory subject from Grade 3 to grade 9. The first year is local history (town, region, province), then from Grade 5 and six is mostly South African history, but also some classical history of the west (Roman to Middle ages type thing), and then grades seven to nine is international history, with a lot of concentration on things like WW 2, as well is in depth look at African history. Then you can decide to take history as a subject in grades 10-12, which is then a lot more intenseand in depth, with grade 10 being SA, 11 Africa and 12 world history.

I grew up in apartheid SA (finished school the year after MAndela was elected) so I went trough the old school system (were were taught real horrible things in history like that the first 'people' arrived in South Africa in 1652!!) with very little attention given to black history.

History was then used as propaganda tool, with a lot of attention being given to teaching us of the heroic moments of the Afrikaner, like the wars against the Zulu, the British etc.

Now government has changed it around again. They teach intensivly history before 1652, which I don't quite get, as there is no written records for that period, and they struggle to get it right to teach Apartheid.

I myself love history, and tokk it right up to grade 12.

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Is there any de facto segregation in schools that still occurs--legally, systematically or due to economic divisions and locations of where people live? That has happened here in the US. Our legalized segregation system ended over 40 years ago but now schools are more segregated than ever because blacks tend to move to certain areas and wealthier middle class whites tend to live in other areas and move when non-whites start moving into their neighborhood for fear that their home value will decrease. Schools ARE mixed here but--for example there are 5 major secondary schools in my town and one of them has probably 80% of the non-whites.
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Well yeah, the Groups Area act was only ended 15 years ago, so whites still live in the 'white' area, blalcks in the other part. But it is ending. It is also a language issue. Afrikaans schools tend to get more money from the parents, whilst black South Africans attend English speaking schools.

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Kazikli Bey - That seems like an really different way of doing it. Although I do know quite a bit about how the British system works and the empahsis there seems to be on historical skills rather than on content knowledge. It appears that Australia may have the same philosophy.
Actually, it is a bit of both. But rather then just plain learn about how something happened, we learned (or debate) why it happened, its implications etc. It probably more teaches us to be historians but it still focuses on historical knowledge.
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In iran kids are sapperated in 3 types of schools, majority go to ordinary schools, smart kids go too special schools as well as slow learning.

History untill the last year of high school is the old history like islam history and Iran before islam and so on, the last year it's the current history which is very difficult to learn because you have seen with your own eyes (or your parents') that exactly the reverse of what the book says has happened it's so hard to accept and learn this book, I never got more that 8 from 20.
for example it talks so sentimentally about sheikh fazlollah Nouri like he's contributed a lot to the country and while he was in dictatorship favor, and Mosaddegh according to this book betrayed Iran.

when it reaches to the Khomeini time, it becomes sentimental in a sickening way.
passing this book was one of the hardest things I've done in the school.
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