Why are conservatives denying global warming? Ask the BBC - Political Forum

Troianii · #1 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 07:31 AM

Today global warming no longer means what the words themselves mean, that the globe is getting warmer, but global warming has become the idea that man's industry is causing it. The truth is much different. A video debunking global warming has come from an unexpected source: the BBC. The Great Global Warming Swindle (2007) - Google Video

YoungBrownConservative · #2 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Troianii

Today global warming no longer means what the words themselves mean, that the globe is getting warmer, but global warming has become the idea that man's industry is causing it. The truth is much different. A video debunking global warming has come from an unexpected source: the BBC. The Great Global Warming Swindle (2007) - Google Video

That video was awesome. I do not deny that global warming exists, I just don't believe in the doctrine of Al " I invented the internet " Gore. I also do not believe human kind is the main reason why it's happening. Now some people will automatically label me someone who cares nothing for the enviroment, but that isn't so. Do I have to subscribe to wacko enviromentalists' extreme views in order to care for nature?

vladward8 · #3 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 08:38 PM

I've studied "Climate Change" aka "Global Warming" for about forty years now. I also kept a close eye on astronomy and geophysics. "Mother Nature" aka "God" is about to hammer out a real 'New World Order' and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. At first it will seem horrific. Lots of collateral damage. In the end it will be the best thing that could have happened under the circumstances. Everything that could be written has been written. Everything that could be said has been said. So he's a crusty scarry old sob...that don't make him any less a prophet: Check out the lyrics to a song on Dylans last CD "Modern Times" "Ain't Talkin'" Its about time Jesus lost his temper.

vladward8 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 08:43 PM

Because the idiots thaught that it would get rid of all those excess mouths to feed while their wealth and power kept them safe. 'I laughed so hard I cried and got cramps'...when I ralized whats in store for "Them".

One · #5 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 08:25 AM

Good Stuff, Vlad! I think its typical that they deny Climate change since they are (as do we all) fear change. Change could mean they loose their business nieche and theyre too stubborn to invest in the future which is uncertain, but stick with what they know. Convincing the masses is easy- just pay the media outlets to smear anything green and there you go. Karma- its for real!

jb_1430 · #6 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 09:36 AM

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Good Stuff, Vlad! I think its typical that they deny Climate change since they are (as do we all) fear change. Change could mean they loose their business nieche and theyre too stubborn to invest in the future which is uncertain, but stick with what they know. Convincing the masses is easy- just pay the media outlets to smear anything green and there you go. Karma- its for real!

???? I would say precisely the opposite is the case in regards to "convincing the masses". The masses have been convinced to the point that the TRUTH is seen as a smear. Quote below from Stephen Schneider back in 1989, one of the founders of the global warming movement, reveals what has been going on.
Global warming cant be stopped by man. When it naturally stops on its own, as it has countless times in the past, THEN we can begin to worry about how we will contend with glaciers scraping civilization off of Canada and northern Europe. MARK

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On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but — which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both. (Quoted in Discover, pp. 45–48, Oct. 1989

Troianii · #7 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 09:16 PM

Well said jb.

Public_Enemy · #8 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 09:38 PM

Yeah, I don't believe man effects global warming, it is a natural cycle, warmings and coolings. Mass immigrations in the history happened because of them when there were no industry yet, lakes shrinked, rivers dried etc..
I have a feeling that somes wanna push it knowingly for making profit over it. New business areas for "green" products, higher costs etc..

vladward8 · #9 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 11:18 PM

There is an 'ice core' from Greenland indicating that full ice age conditions can come on in a decade. ( I'm not saying we can expect an ice age in ten years, I don't know the age of the studies 'ice core). If full ice age climatic conditions come upon an unprepared human community the political destabilization may be catastrophic. ( thats an understatement)

Seer · #10 (**permalink**) 05-13-2007, 11:52 PM

I just got done watching the whole video and do admit that it is a compelling documentary. Though I would like to say that the last argument in the video was the weakest. I don’t think that the issue of global warming is preventing third world countries from developing. I tend to think that the issue of global warming is not as important as either side of the argument claims. I don’t think that the believers of global warming are causing as much harm as the video depicts nor are the unbelievers of global warming preventing society from becoming more environmentally friendly. My stance on this issue, which tends to sway from one side of this argument to the other as time progresses, is that our use of oil and other substances, which produce greenhouse gasses, will not last long enough for global warming to take place (peak oil). Does this mean that I believe we should be all gun ho about using all our products that create greenhouse gasses? No. I believe that when you dump a shit tone of one element into the air or water it will have an effect on the environment in some way. Therefore I don’t think we should just believe that nothing will happen ever in correlation with our production of greenhouse gasses but we shouldn’t freak-out when we see a small rise in temperature.