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Old 04-13-2007, 10:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Global Warming has become an industry.

During the 1970s, it was believed the world was going into another ice age. Then Margaret Thatcher needed an excuse to break the coal miners unions, which were her main political obstacle. She put money on the table, and asked British scientists to "Prove," that there was a link between the burning of coal (CO2) and the rise in temperature. This scientific "Proof," was used to push the production of nuclear power, which broke the U.K.'s dependency on coal. The mainstream belief was reversed.

Then the movement was picked up by the left as a scheme to control the means of production. Government funds push more research into legitimizing Global Warming, allowing for more government control and funds to go into the field. During the George H. Bush presidency, climate research received about one hundred and seventy million dollars a year. During the George W. Bush presidency, that number has risen to four billion a year.

Thousands of jobs have been built upon the Global Warming flimsy foundation. If any contrary evidence to Global Warming is found, those people lose their jobs. Environmental journalists no longer have a story.

Global Warming has become an industry, except it gets its money through coercion, not trade. Just think to yourself, what do governments have to gain?

The Great Global Warming Swindle
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Old 06-08-2007, 09:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Eurgh.

A: World Coal consumption: 5.3 * 10^12 kg
B: Molar mass of Carbon: 12
C: Molar mass of CO2: 44
D: C/B * A = 1.94 * 10^13kg

So burning coal emits about 1.94 * 10^13 kg of CO2 every year

E: Total mass of the atmosphere: 5.3 * 10^18kg

F = D/E = 3.67 * 10^-6
I.e we emit an amount of CO2 equal to about 0.000367% of the earth's atmosphere every year.

Over 50 years, this gives
E = F * 50 = 0.0184%
Which is more than 30% of the current CO2 concentration.

This was Coal alone, at pressent consumption levels. If you in addition factor in Oil, Gas, Deforestation, Methane from agriculture, CFCs ... it gets even worse.

As for the solar radiation effect...people keep throwing around the nonsense claim. Basically the compelling bit of evidence against the solar variation theory is that the rate of warming increases even while solar activity decreases.

Assumption 1: Definition of temperature. The rate of change of temperature is proportional to the rate of change of internal thermal energy.

dT/dt = A * dE/dt

Here A is a constant representing the thermal inertia of the planet. E is the net thermal energy of the planet and T is temperature.

Assumption 2: The thermal energy in the earth's atmosphere and surface is almost exclusively down to the amount of radiation received from the sun and the amount of radiation emitted into space.

dE/dt = A * F - G

F is the amount of energy received by the planet, and G is the amount of energy emitted by the planet. Taking the time derivative on both sides:

d^2T/dt^2 = A * dF/dt - dG/dt

That is, the rate of change of temperature change ( the rate of increase of the rate of warming ) is just the difference between the rate of change of incoming radiation and the rate of change of outgoing radiation. From the above it follows that

dF/dt < 0 , |dG/dt| < |dF/dt| ==> d^2T/dt^2 < 0

That is, if the amount of radiation received by the earth is decreasing, and at the same time the amount of radiation leaving the earth does not change even more rapidly then the rate of warming MUST decrease. Now the claim was that variations in solar radiation ( i.e the amount of radiation the earth receives) is much more important than the greenhouse effect. I.e the change in radiation received is at least as large as the change in how much radiation is emitted. Thus when solar radiation decreases, we have:

dF/dt < 0
|dG/dt| < |dF/dt|

So from the above

d^2T/dt^2 < 0

This is not what we observe. We observe steadily increasing rates of warming even when the solar activity decreases, which imply that at least one assumption above is incorrect. Since this occurs when solar activity decreases we know that dF/dt < 0, meaning that the only assumption left to discard is the following:

|dG/dt| < |dF/dt|

Therefore

|dG/dt| > |dF/dt|

That is:

The rate of decrease of radiation leaving the earth is greater than the rate of change of radiation received by the earth.

Or, put slightly differently

Changes in radiative forcing due to greenhouse gases contribute at least as much to global warming as observed changes in solar radiation received by the earth.

Note that the magnitude of the thermal inertia ( the constant A ) doesn't make a difference. This is why I looked at the rate of change of warming rather than warming in itself. Because the planet's thermal inertia is largely constant it doesn't significantly affect weather the planet warms or cools, only the extent to which it does so, and thus observing changes in radiation received and emitted is sufficient to reach the conclusion above. This is why the above derivation is so much simpler than the more detailed climate models, and this is also why it doesn't tell us how much larger that impact is as compared to solar variation. It also doesn't tell us how much warming to expect, nor where the main uncertainties are, nor which greenhouse gases are most important. The only thing my derivation above is able to show is that solar variation is not the sole cause of global warming.

There are more advanced models that can extract more information from the observations. In particular, highly accurate numerical simulations, which take into consideration variations in atmospheric temperature, variations in greenhouse gas concentrations, and the impact of aerosols and cloud formation, are able to derive fairly certain estimates of radiative forcing components. The results look something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...e-forcings.svg

No one is denying that the earth warms and cools naturally; the problem that human emissions cause is the rate at which the changes are taking place, and that humans are changing the equiberium which will have devastating long-term effects. I'm not pretending that the impact of global warming is completely clear. Different models give different predictions, but for the business as usual scenario all of the top- eight climate models predict a 2 - 5 centigrade increase during this century. This may not sound much, but since 5 centigrades is simply the average there will be occasional peaks that are far higher, about 10 centigrades or even more. Furthermore the warming is not uniform. The equator will experience the least warming while countries further north or south will experience more. Land areas will also experience more warming than the seas. The amazonas is probably the most scary example, and wille xperience an average increase of 8 centigrades. Now given that a significant amount of the earth's vegetation is located in the amazon rainforest, a 8 centigrade increase is really not something tot ake lightly. If you ruin the rainforest, leading to irreverasble deforestation, this will amplify the warming causing even more problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...ions_Map_2.jpg

Note that this is the impact without the doomsday predictions. If you start looking at the impact for sea-level rise, huricanes, draughts, starvation due to failing crops etc, things quickly start reaching a level of disaster that quite frankly has no historic presedence. This could easily give pandemic virus infections a hard time keeping their position as the biggest killer of all time.

It's extraordinarily easy to calculate the variables that I'm talking about in relation to global warming. Considering we know a lot of the effects of pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, a lot of which I've already stated earlier, there are very few unknown variables, unless you can think of any? I'm quite sure I would've heard of them and people who made the documentary would be keen to highlight problems with methodology. One such claim I've recently heard is that the researchers of GW "orthodoxy" often freely interchange dependent and independent variables. Well, I don't think I've done that in my calculations.

These are the ones from the top of my head...

Amount of greenhouse gases we emit ( basic chemistry once you know fossil fuel consumption ).
Amount of radiation the sun is emitting, and how much of it reaches the earth (measured by satellites and observatories for decades now ).
The spectrum of solar radiation. (has been known for a century or so )
The spectrum of radiation emitted by the earth. (same as above )
Atmospheric composition. ( Easy to measure, basic chemistry).
The absorption and emission spectrum of the gases in the atmosphere (has been known to great detail for a century).
The extent to which the ocean absorb CO2 (CO2 reduces the pH of the ocean, we can measure this).
The amount of CO2 emitted by volcanic eruptions and geological activity ( it is orders of magnitude smaller than human emissions).
The effect of radiative forcing on steady state temperature (follows from thermodynamics).

When the above is considered ALL of the top 7 climate models predict that greenhouse gas emissions will cause global warming. The uncertainty is to what extent and arises primarely from:

Cloud formation.
Feedback effects. (warmer temperatures affect vegetation and algae etc..)
Aerosols that reflect sunlight.
The impact of aerosols on cloud formation.

Note that solar radiance is not a major cause of uncertainty. We know it to great accuracy, and whereas there are some uncertainties, they are very small.

I haven't sourced these claims because there is quite a lot of material, but I am able to do so if need be. If there is a particular issue you doubt, just ask me to source it and I will.
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During the 1970s, it was believed the world was going into another ice age. Then Margaret Thatcher needed an excuse to break the coal miners unions, which were her main political obstacle. She put money on the table, and asked British scientists to "Prove," that there was a link between the burning of coal (CO2) and the rise in temperature. This scientific "Proof," was used to push the production of nuclear power, which broke the U.K.'s dependency on coal. The mainstream belief was reversed.

Then the movement was picked up by the left as a scheme to control the means of production. Government funds push more research into legitimizing Global Warming, allowing for more government control and funds to go into the field. During the George H. Bush presidency, climate research received about one hundred and seventy million dollars a year. During the George W. Bush presidency, that number has risen to four billion a year.

Thousands of jobs have been built upon the Global Warming flimsy foundation. If any contrary evidence to Global Warming is found, those people lose their jobs. Environmental journalists no longer have a story.

Global Warming has become an industry, except it gets its money through coercion, not trade. Just think to yourself, what do governments have to gain?

The Great Global Warming Swindle
Yes, it's a swindle and it always HAS been. You can see (above post) how they try to build it as factual around a whole table full of fancy assumptions and some math work and "calculations" that are supposed to impress us.

It's bullshit propoganda and it will REMAIN bullshit propoganda as long as it's ... bullshit propoganda.
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Yes, it's a swindle and it always HAS been. You can see (above post) how they try to build it as factual around a whole table full of fancy assumptions and some math work and "calculations" that are supposed to impress us.

It's bullshit propoganda and it will REMAIN bullshit propoganda as long as it's ... bullshit propoganda.
Got a degree in BioChem?
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Yes, it's a swindle and it always HAS been. You can see (above post) how they try to build it as factual around a whole table full of fancy assumptions and some math work and "calculations" that are supposed to impress us.

It's bullshit propoganda and it will REMAIN bullshit propoganda as long as it's ... bullshit propoganda.

As with most issues that forecast the future, there are flaws.
Calling it a "swindle" though is not only inaccurate, but a false statement. Global warming has been, is, and will continue to happen. I reluctantly assure you this.

There is more evidence to support Global Warming than to discredit it.
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Got a degree in BioChem?
He is a chemist, but I'm not sure if he has any expertise in biochem.
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As with most issues that forecast the future, there are flaws.
Calling it a "swindle" though is not only inaccurate, but a false statement. Global warming has been, is, and will continue to happen. I reluctantly assure you this.

There is more evidence to support Global Warming than to discredit it.
I'm not sure that he totally discredits the idea that the globe is warming, but instead wether or not it is only because of human activities.
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Heat the atmosphere and it accelerates its rate of convection. All average wind velocities increase. Average rates of evaporation increase. Average levels of atmospheric humidity increase. The number of turbulences increase; both large scale and small scale. The number of turbulences in the static polar highs will increase. Ah nut. Watch for a remarkable increase of snowfall around the poles....even if the temps there are somewhat higher......
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During the 1970s, it was believed the world was going into another ice age. Then Margaret Thatcher needed an excuse to break the coal miners unions, which were her main political obstacle. She put money on the table, and asked British scientists to "Prove," that there was a link between the burning of coal (CO2) and the rise in temperature. This scientific "Proof," was used to push the production of nuclear power, which broke the U.K.'s dependency on coal. The mainstream belief was reversed.

Then the movement was picked up by the left as a scheme to control the means of production. Government funds push more research into legitimizing Global Warming, allowing for more government control and funds to go into the field. During the George H. Bush presidency, climate research received about one hundred and seventy million dollars a year. During the George W. Bush presidency, that number has risen to four billion a year.

Thousands of jobs have been built upon the Global Warming flimsy foundation. If any contrary evidence to Global Warming is found, those people lose their jobs. Environmental journalists no longer have a story.

Global Warming has become an industry, except it gets its money through coercion, not trade. Just think to yourself, what do governments have to gain?

The Great Global Warming Swindle
Yes, it's an industry built on fraudulent science. More and more people (not enough though) are learning about this scam by politicians and academic elites.

Will the fact that more people know it's a scam make any difference ?

I doubt it.
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Got a degree in BioChem?
No, only a degree in chem.

On my OWN, I've taken to studying biochem. a little for other reasons.

What this has to do with Al Bores hot air about man only caused "global warming" I don't know though.

By the way, there ARE many other, MUCH more qualified scientists that agree that Al Bore is selling snake oil to "the people" concerning "global warming".

We don't hear much about THEM though.

This has to do with the media and IT'S problems. We can't trust the media anymore than we can trust politicians. Liars and fabricators, both.
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