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Old 04-17-2008, 07:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I was unaware of the fact that electrons were going to stop moving. Did you get this information from Scientific American?

As long as electrons move we will always have electricity. The only way that electricity will end is when the universe ends.

Of course it may cost more in the future but then again it might cost less too.
I have heard but I do not see how. I thought that electrons kept on reproducing, and never ran out. But I have heard that it might, though I can't remember how.
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:16 PM   #22 (permalink)
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We could switch to nuclear power generation anytime we want... and by the time the uranium becomes too costly (in about 500 years) we will have nuclear fusion and that will last for hundreds of millions of years.

So I'll start worrying about electricity running out in about a billion years.
I never said to worry. I am asking what will happen if it does run out and what will we use? I never said that it was happening now.
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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"If we are unable to" is absurd. We already have so what you are saying is "if we lose the ability to" and that is equally absurd. We are not going to suddenly forget all of the technology. Why not change the thread to "What happens when people forget all they know?"

By the way, I can generate electricity with a potato and electricity is a natural form of energy so nature would have to end before we lose it.
You cannot forget what you know but electricity could be gone some day.
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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that was the question; correct?

i believe, and this is my feeling, that it would be gone because the last living person on the planet had just died and could not clean his solar panel, fix his windmill, repair his turbine driven by a stream or donkey or horse or llama, or bicycle, didn't fill up the tank in his generator, shut off the nuclear plant, couldn't split logs to fire the steam turbine etc etc etc


who cares as there will be nobody alive to need it
Yes but what if it does and we are still here? That is my question. What could we use in place of it?
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:20 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Wow, wow, wow there horsey.

By the time we get that low on fossil fuels we will have converted over to other forms or have enough other forms to make up the difference.

People need to come down on all this energy hysteria. Nobody is talking about going back to rock wheels and togas here.

the premise of this thread is a reality that will never occur. We already have methods other then these hydrocarbons that everyone thinks is evil to maintain power with.

Everyone wants a fix NOW! That is the mentality here. People need to come down and understand it is going to take time to get there. I just dont know if people have the patience to accept that. All the global warming hysteria is fueling is panic and psychosis, literally. That does no good.

Lets calm down and work the problem, not talk of moving back to the stone age b/c mankind wont do that. We are constantly inventing new technologies to make things better then before. Have a little faith for crying outloud. Its going to be ok. Electricity isnt going anywhere.....WE ARE!...lol.
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I am saying IF it happens.
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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We could switch to nuclear power generation anytime we want... and by the time the uranium becomes too costly (in about 500 years) we will have nuclear fusion and that will last for hundreds of millions of years.

So I'll start worrying about electricity running out in about a billion years.
I nuclear any better than electric?
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:29 PM   #28 (permalink)
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We will always be able to harness the power of electricity as long as we have access to the most basic materials. We will run out of electricity when we are all dead, in that we won't harness it when we don't exist.

If the hydrocarbon fuels run out (which they will), we have many other sources that could be used. Solar, wind, tides, hydro electric, etc.
I think you are whistling in the dark - or soon will be. There is nothing currently operatible or able to be scaled up in time to avert serious and likely severe energy shortages within the next few years. We are on the verge of global energy decline. It will not be uniform, because most major energy producers will be able to keep the wheels turning in their countries for a bit longer than import dependent nations. Chances are that trade in energy, food supplies and other essentials will get pretty brutal as time goes on. Those countries without something of material value that oil producers desire will be able to trade their products for oil. Resource poor nations will be extremely hard hit, as they have little to exchange for essentials. Things could get ugly as people get desperate. I suggest that you go out and take some night pictures of the city, so that you can show them to your grand children to prove that at one time we had so much cheap energy that we literally lit up the sky with our lights.
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Old 04-18-2008, 10:46 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Never is a word that should never be used, there are always chances.
Right, it is far more intelligent to create hypothetical "what if?" doomsday scenario questions that will never come to fruition b/c they are based on some 6th dimension reality.
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I think you are whistling in the dark - or soon will be. There is nothing currently operatible or able to be scaled up in time to avert serious and likely severe energy shortages within the next few years. We are on the verge of global energy decline. It will not be uniform, because most major energy producers will be able to keep the wheels turning in their countries for a bit longer than import dependent nations. Chances are that trade in energy, food supplies and other essentials will get pretty brutal as time goes on. Those countries without something of material value that oil producers desire will be able to trade their products for oil. Resource poor nations will be extremely hard hit, as they have little to exchange for essentials. Things could get ugly as people get desperate. I suggest that you go out and take some night pictures of the city, so that you can show them to your grand children to prove that at one time we had so much cheap energy that we literally lit up the sky with our lights.
There is between a 200-500 year supply of coal left, and several thousand years of Uranium for Fission power. We have plenty of time to switch to renewable sources before we run out. The question is, will we pollute the earth too much over that time period, and can we really pollute for another 200 years and still have a nice place left to live. Petroleum supplies are estimated at 50-100 years.

As most nations get very little of their electric grid power from gasoline turbines, I don't foresee huge electricity shortages in the near future due to increased cost of gasoline, but we will see transportation costs sky rocket. (Population growth could lead to energy shortages, but that's another story)
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