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Old 02-21-2008, 10:09 PM
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Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

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Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?


Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.


Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.


The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.


Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.


As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.


As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.


Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.


Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.


AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China, stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the government said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincial disaster relief office told AFP.


Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, and four remained missing as of Saturday.


An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17, the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including 7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.


In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England, according to the Express, which reports that experts say that February could end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to services being disrupted by cold weather.


Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. The agency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, public services remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the more severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.


Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.


More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.



If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.


Newsmax.com - Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back



A .5 degrees+ cooling would kill milllions, and cause wars that could kill us all. The latest data over the short term already shows we are almost back to the early 80s globally for overall temperature, and millions of people are traped or having their houses caved in with that. I know your going to laugh and say how I don't have any clue on how climate works and this disputes nothing. But looking at history and other data shows that we humans be in big trouble. Why do I say that as your sitting there thinking to your selfs that your crazy. I'm saying its because the human race has exploded in size and scale since the end of the little ice age, and more or less has grown with the warming of the planet. A warmer planet means more food and more favorable enviroment for us. I'm not saying that 5-6 degree warming would not have its own programs, but I'm saying even the slightest cooling could cause much much more trouble then a slight warming ever could. The little ice age was caused by a solar min and now we are within one of those for 46 straight months we have been in one, the last 100-150 years since the dalton min of the mid 19th century this ranks up close to the longest since.

Data shows that we are now cooling down at a "fast rate" for the last 3-6 months. All over the world this has occured. If news out of Asia is true a large part of their food supply won't be there to feed hundreds of millions of people. If the current solar min keeps up and it appears to be doing just that, we can expect to see a slow cooling of the earths global temperature. "Some" solar cycle scienctis have even noted as early as the summer of 2006-2007 that solar cycle 24 was supposed to have started, but it never did. Yet again this December and Janaury. When will it go back into a upshoot? Or will it??? Believe it or not there is a chance of the next max being very weak infact. Which should scare the liviing hell out of any peace loving human. But of course call me a idiot and name call. Like that will help you if this does happen to us.

The Antarctic ice sheet are expanding and the sea ice nearly made a record this last winter. The Arctic is back to normal levels before all this global warming hype ever started.

But yes lets not discuse it, or keep dreaming in our little worlds. If it happens don't say I did not try to warn you.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:47 PM
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Before you go believing all the hoopla, spend some time learning what 'global warming' or more accurately, global climate change is all about.

do your homework and you'll see that this is not even remotely unusual. Global climate patterns are changing as a direct result of human action. you don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but that doesn't stop it from being a fact.
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:30 PM
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Before you go believing all the hoopla, spend some time learning what 'global warming' or more accurately, global climate change is all about.
Well it is a natural occuring process that MAN can do nothing about. And I defy anybody who says otherwise b/c it is unproven that man has caused anything to happen.

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do your homework and you'll see that this is not even remotely unusual.
I agree. Climate change is very common actually.

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Global climate patterns are changing as a direct result of human action. you don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but that doesn't stop it from being a fact.
Prove it. I want 100% evidence that man is capable of changing an entire planet's climate.

Then explain to me why we havent harnessed this new technology that we suddenly just happen to have, to turn deserts into lush fields for crops and turned barren frigid areas into forests. Does anyone doubt that if we actually had the capability to change a planet's global climate, that we wouldnt be using it in some capacity to do good?

GW is a government run scam. Nothing more. It is a coraboration b/w corporations and government to make money for both. Corporatism is all it is. You havent noticed that it turned from being global warming to strictly climate change? See the governments of the world could only use one side of climate by calling it global warming. In order to make it a constant political issue to scare people, they went ahead and changed it to just climate change, thereby throwing a blanket over all climate, hot or cold. It is blatantly obvious what they are doing, I dont know how people dont see this.
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Climate change/global warming is not a year-by-year event. It is the average of decades of weather patterns. Yes, there can and will be variations at both ends of the scale on an annual basis, but the real story are the trends that are displayed over a much longer timeframe. From the longer perspective we are in a substantial shift in the climate.
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Old 02-24-2008, 06:49 AM
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Global warming is happening, that debate is over. Man is causing it, and scientists are 95% sure (so you can debate the 5% if you want).

Sure there is a natural cycle. That cycle says we should be cooling right now as Earth is going from a more circular orbit to a more oblong.

Sea ice comes and goes with the seasons. Last September we saw the lowest levels in recorded history. To say the ice has all returned is ridiculous as that report only talks about sea ice. Land ice takes decades... and centuries to form a decent thickness.

When people talk about rising sea levels they arent talking about sea ice melting.
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Old 03-06-2008, 04:56 PM
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the deep freeze is beginning. start preparing. this winter, america was colder.

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Old 03-06-2008, 05:15 PM
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Earth is going from a more circular orbit to a more oblong.
Huh!
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Old 03-06-2008, 10:13 PM
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Global Climate Change is the perfect Question for the liberal Answer: end capitalism. Why are the answers to global cooling in the 70's, global warming in the 90's and now global climate change the same?
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Old 03-07-2008, 12:29 AM
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In forums such as this, sometimes polarized liberals and conservatives just use the whole global climate issue for the sport of baiting the other side. If you believe what you believe because it's what you WANT to believe and it's what folks you identify with tend to believe - then argument from those of different views will make no difference.
But if you believe what you believe because of the weight of actual evidence, having taken interest and time enough to really examine that evidence, then the only logical conclusion is that global climate change is happening and that it is because of man's activities that it is no longer a naturally self-correcting cycle.
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Old 03-07-2008, 09:00 AM
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the deep freeze is beginning. start preparing. this winter, america was colder.

If you look at the states that were colder than average, it was. And if you look at the states that were warmer than average it wasnt. For Jan. '08, the first full month of winter, it was about balanced, colder in the west, warmer in the east, average in the middle.

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