Political Forum

Dear guest,

Welcome to the internet's top destination for the civil discussion of politics. This is a forum for discussion and debate of the issues, and not for personal remarks aimed at other discussants.

This forum has no political affiliation and welcomes your perspective on the issues. Membership is free. If you would like to join the discussions and debates please REGISTER HERE.

All new members should review the forum rules. The "Today's Posts" button automatically adjusts itself to fit your screen on its first use for Firefox and on its second use, for Internet Explorer. Have a pleasant day. (This is a spam free board.)

  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2006, 09:13 PM
Viscount
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,466
So, has anyone noticed that the Democrats lied to us?

They promised to clean up Washington, but they are on the verge of voting John Murtha Majority Leader, and appointing Alcee Hastings head of the Intelligence Committee.

What makes this unacceptable is that it isn't even necessary. It's not like these guys were next in line. They are being promoted over Democrats who are not corrupt simply because Pelosi has animosity for Steny Hoyer and Jane Harman.

It hasn't happened yet, but I'm keepin' an eye on these people. I have hopes that things will change with the Democrats in power. But the only way things will actually change is if we watch them like hawks.

For those who don't know, John Murtha was an indicted co-conspirator in the ABSCAM bribery scandal. Today, he is in the business of funneling taxpayer money to his brother's company. He also torpedoed his own party's lobbying reform bill by trading pork for votes.

Alcee Hastings used to be a federal judge. Until he got impeached for bribery. 'Nuff said, although there's plenty of dirt in his present as well.

I urge all those who have Democratic representatives to give them a call and urge a vote for Steny Hoyer for Majority Leader. The vote is Thursday.
__________________
chicken butt
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-14-2006, 09:20 PM
FRYandBENDER's Avatar
Moderator
Tyler Durden
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,163
Location: Dothan, AL
Country:
Quote:
So, has anyone noticed that the Democrats lied to us?
Yep.

Have to type this to make the post longer so I can submit it.
__________________
Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.

Ayn Rand, Anthem.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:16 AM
Tumbleweed's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 999
Yea, it would be strange having someone in Washington who actually served in the military for a change.
__________________
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 04:14 AM
CHUQ's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,499
Location: the South
Send a message via AIM to CHUQ
And this surprises people, why?
__________________
STUPIDITY Is The Deliberate Cultivation Of Ignorance

TRUTH exist, only a falsehood has to be invented.

Please Visit My Blog http://studiesandobservations.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:36 AM
Viscount
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,466
Well, after having read of this, we might conclude that Murtha likes to dole out a lot of pork, however I am not yet convinced that he is corrupt due to the ABSCAM investigation (for which he was not indited or charged). Haven't watched the video of the FBI sting though. Maybe later.


It's how he doles it out. Robert Byrd is the King of Pork, but he doles it out for his state and no other purpose. I hate it, but it's not corrupt in the traditional sense.

What makes Murtha corrupt is first, that he funnels pork to friends and his brother. Second, he trades pork for votes and threatens to withhold pork for those who won't cooperate with him.

He defeated his own party's lobbying reform bill by enticing other Democrats to vote with the Republicans.

Murtha is also the largest recipient of lobbyist funds among House members except for Tom Delay, and some years he's actually received more money than Delay!

Even if you believe he's not corrupt, is this the way to change the culture in Washington? Sounds to me like it's a way to ignore the will of the voters, who cited corruption as a top issue.

And there is no excuse, none at all, for Hastings. He's not even the senior Democrat on that committee.

If Pelosi does indeed get Murtha and Hastings promoted, she had to go out of her way to do it. Which means the Democrats went out of their way to promote corruption. Exactly the opposite of what they promised to do.
__________________
chicken butt
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 07:38 AM
Viscount
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,466
Oh, and finally, Murtha got Alan Mollohan put on the ethics committee. Mollohan is under investigation for corruption by the FBI. It's a not very well kept secret that ever since ABSCAM, Murtha has taken a very big interest in making sure that his friends get on the Ethics Committee.
__________________
chicken butt
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:05 PM
FRYandBENDER's Avatar
Moderator
Tyler Durden
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,163
Location: Dothan, AL
Country:
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHUQ View Post
And this surprises people, why?

I'm suprised because I figured they would have waited a little while longer before they started doing stuff like this. I think they may be interpreting the election results incorrectly. I think that the reason they won was part republicans/independents punishing the Reps in office and part reps/indies, especially indies, saying "ok, lets see what you got, but we're keeping an eye on you."

I think the dems might be under the impression that they can not go wrong, that we will never vote republicans in again, so they can get away with whatever they want because "it can't be as bad as having reps in majority."
__________________
Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.

Ayn Rand, Anthem.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:09 PM
sglaine's Avatar
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 604
Location: Surrounded By Critters that are tasty
Country:
I have said this before and I'll say it again.

Nether party is good at telling the truth. My self I think it is time for a 3rd party to step in and make some ungodly changes for this country and restore some honesty.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Tumbleweed's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 999
Quote:
Originally Posted by sglaine View Post
I have said this before and I'll say it again.

Nether party is good at telling the truth. My self I think it is time for a 3rd party to step in and make some ungodly changes for this country and restore some honesty.
I agree.
__________________
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-15-2006, 02:55 PM
CHUQ's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,499
Location: the South
Send a message via AIM to CHUQ
Quote:
Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER View Post
I'm suprised because I figured they would have waited a little while longer before they started doing stuff like this. I think they may be interpreting the election results incorrectly. I think that the reason they won was part republicans/independents punishing the Reps in office and part reps/indies, especially indies, saying "ok, lets see what you got, but we're keeping an eye on you."

I think the dems might be under the impression that they can not go wrong, that we will never vote republicans in again, so they can get away with whatever they want because "it can't be as bad as having reps in majority."
They are POLITICIANS--lying is what they do. Whether before, during or after elections. Dems or Repubs--their shit does not stink. sarcasm intended.
__________________
STUPIDITY Is The Deliberate Cultivation Of Ignorance

TRUTH exist, only a falsehood has to be invented.

Please Visit My Blog http://studiesandobservations.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:02 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
A vBSkinworks Design
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=

right