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francois60 · 10-25-2006, 03:13 PM

Like being black in Florida

No evidence that blacks were disenfranchised in Florida.

Coyote Says · 10-25-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by francois60

Like being black in Florida

No evidence that blacks were disenfranchised in Florida.

Plenty of circumstantial evidence.

superbug · 10-25-2006, 03:29 PM

Anytime a democrat does not win a race there are claims of disenfranchised voters. How strange....

Coyote Says · 10-25-2006, 03:38 PM

Florida was exceptional. Jeb said he'd deliver Florida and he kept his word.

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Perhaps the most dramatic undercount in this election was the nonexistent ballots of the countless unknown eligible voters, who were wrongfully purged from the voter registration rolls, turned away from the polls, and by various other means prevented from exercising the franchise. While statistical data, reinforced by credible anecdotal evidence, point to widespread disenfranchisement and denial of voting rights, it is impossible to determine the extent of the disenfranchisement or to provide an adequate remedy to the persons whose voices were silenced in this historic election by a pattern and practice of injustice, ineptitude and inefficiency.

The Washington Post

francois60 · 10-25-2006, 03:55 PM

I can't address the anecdotal evidence, but I can address the purges.

The purge list contained approximately the same number of felons as Florida actually had. Therefore, if there was any non-felon on that list, a corresponding felon was eligible to vote. Also, the purge list had approximately as many blacks on it as their proportion of felons. So for every black non-felon disenfranchised, there was a black felon who became a legal voter.

Coyote Says · 10-25-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by francois60

I can't address the anecdotal evidence, but I can address the purges.

The purge list contained approximately the same number of felons as Florida actually had. Therefore, if there was any non-felon on that list, a corresponding felon was eligible to vote. Also, the purge list had approximately as many blacks on it as their proportion of felons. So for every black non-felon disenfranchised, there was a black felon who became a legal voter.

I haven't heard that argument before. Interesting.

francois60 · 10-25-2006, 04:42 PM

It's simple math.

It's the first question I asked when Greg Palast started making accusations. Okay, we know that there were mistakes on the purge list. But in order for there to be an effort to disenfranchise Democrats for Bush's benefit, you have to actually, you know, disenfranchise Democrats. Which would mean a felon purge list that was larger than the number of actual felons in Florida.

Otherwise, all you've done is legalized felons and disenfranchised random voters. Which actually COSTS the Republicans votes, since "random voter" is more likely to vote GOP than a felon.

superbug · 10-25-2006, 05:13 PM

Also, you had Gore trying to kepp overseas military votes from being counted.

Coyote Says · 10-25-2006, 05:17 PM

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Also, you had Gore trying to kepp overseas military votes from being counted.

I hadn't heard that either, but it wouldn't surprise me. IMO, Bush was just the better thief.

superbug · 10-25-2006, 05:19 PM

No one stole anything here in Florida. The letter of the law was followed and for whatever reason the Democrats didn't like it. But it seems to be the norm now for lawsuits if Democrats do not win an election.