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Old 01-11-2007, 04:56 AM
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If every politician, business leader and educator visited China, South Korea and India, we wouldn't have to write an economic development plan for our state. It would write itself.

No longer would we be bogged down over questions such as whether we should replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct or build a tunnel or whether math is important as a graduation requirement. The answers would become obvious.

Time and money are running out. Those countries are growing at break-neck speeds and are readying themselves to replace the United States as the global economic powers of this century.

The future economy will not be about low-skilled manufacturing jobs but about intellect. Everyone, from factory workers to business executives, will need to be smarter and more capable. Education needs to become our mantra, with a goal of our region becoming the "brain trust" for the United States


China, S. Korea, India on our heels


Will we be replaced as the World's leader?
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South Korea will be one of the great success stories of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, but it's simply too small population-wise to have a big impact.
China has terrible demographic problems. In 40 years there will be more pensioners than workers. They have extremely corrupt local government, which combined with anti-rural discrimanatory working laws have led to constant peasant riots.
In 40 years India will have the largest population of any nation in the world. They speak English, have many degree-level educated workers, and politically they are reasonably stable. On the other hand, India has millions of rural poor.
If anyone can overtake the US in terms of GDP and political power, it would be India, but they won't overtake you in GDP per capita or HDI. But then you're not leaders in those anyway.
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i am sure before 08 with GWB in charge we wont even be a country

we will be a warring jesus nation
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If every politician, business leader and educator visited China, South Korea and India, we wouldn't have to write an economic development plan for our state. It would write itself.

No longer would we be bogged down over questions such as whether we should replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct or build a tunnel or whether math is important as a graduation requirement. The answers would become obvious.

Time and money are running out. Those countries are growing at break-neck speeds and are readying themselves to replace the United States as the global economic powers of this century.

The future economy will not be about low-skilled manufacturing jobs but about intellect. Everyone, from factory workers to business executives, will need to be smarter and more capable. Education needs to become our mantra, with a goal of our region becoming the "brain trust" for the United States


China, S. Korea, India on our heels


Will we be replaced as the World's leader?
S. Korea will not. It's a booming country, but S. Korea beating us is like Ireland beating us - they may gain a higher GDP, but they're too small to be that powerful.

India and China are fast growing as powerhouses because of an abundance of manpower, which really isn't growing much at all. The economic boom that they are experiencing from learning how to use that manpower will cap. If we were to get a handle on outsourcing of jobs (or in the very least build machines to do the jobs) then their success would diminish as much as ours flourish.
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S. Korea will not. It's a booming country, but S. Korea beating us is like Ireland beating us - they may gain a higher GDP, but they're too small to be that powerful.

India and China are fast growing as powerhouses because of an abundance of manpower, which really isn't growing much at all. The economic boom that they are experiencing from learning how to use that manpower will cap. If we were to get a handle on outsourcing of jobs (or in the very least build machines to do the jobs) then their success would diminish as much as ours flourish.
Outsourcing of US blue collar level jobs for production of goods has pretty much peaked. There hasn't been any US capital expansion demand for goods or services in years. What we have been and are now exporting is professional and service jobs as developing countries build their educational systems while US education continues its deterioration.

There are plenty of US jobs as illustrated by the influx of illegal immigrants. They just don't pay what the American worker feels he/she is entitled to (a topic of its own) and/or represent an image those workers resent.
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Outsourcing of US blue collar level jobs for production of goods has pretty much peaked. There hasn't been any US capital expansion demand for goods or services in years. What we have been and are now exporting is professional and service jobs as developing countries build their educational systems while US education continues its deterioration.

There are plenty of US jobs as illustrated by the influx of illegal immigrants. They just don't pay what the American worker feels he/she is entitled to (a topic of its own) and/or represent an image those workers resent.

I don't think that outsourcing of jobs is a national problem because American's no longer have those jobs, but because America's industry no longer has that production. It would be better for the nation if those jobs became more relient on machine than on man, even if it might be a bit more expensive.
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I don't think that outsourcing of jobs is a national problem because American's no longer have those jobs, but because America's industry no longer has that production.
Maybe you should speak with engineers, accountants and other professionals on the services side who wonder how long before their positions are outsourced.

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It would be better for the nation if those jobs became more relient on machine than on man, even if it might be a bit more expensive.
Which jobs?
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If every politician, business leader and educator visited China, South Korea and India, we wouldn't have to write an economic development plan for our state. It would write itself.

No longer would we be bogged down over questions such as whether we should replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct or build a tunnel or whether math is important as a graduation requirement. The answers would become obvious.

Time and money are running out. Those countries are growing at break-neck speeds and are readying themselves to replace the United States as the global economic powers of this century.

The future economy will not be about low-skilled manufacturing jobs but about intellect. Everyone, from factory workers to business executives, will need to be smarter and more capable. Education needs to become our mantra, with a goal of our region becoming the "brain trust" for the United States


China, S. Korea, India on our heels


Will we be replaced as the World's leader?
Typical ignorant american. The US GDP per capita 50,000 dallars. China GDP per capita 6200 dallars. These countrys are growing too fast to sustain any long term growth. Everyone thought japan in the early 90s was the next big thing.
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:16 AM
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Typical ignorant american. The US GDP per capita 50,000 dallars. China GDP per capita 6200 dallars. These countrys are growing too fast to sustain any long term growth. Everyone thought japan in the early 90s was the next big thing.
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Maybe you should speak with engineers, accountants and other professionals on the services side who wonder how long before their positions are outsourced.
I said NATIONAL problem, I did not say that it wasn't a problem. I said national because losing this much work really does affect the nation as a whole, and signifigantly, and losing service jobs is not as much of a NATIONAL problem as losing industrial jobs, in the current state of things or the grand scheme of things.





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Industrial jobs. Just for example, clothing production. Most clothes are now made overseas, and it would be better for America if the jobs became more machine oriented instead of going overseas.
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