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0 truth 10 62.50%
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:40 AM
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Smile The posible Phsysics Of Genisis

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Genesis 1
1In the beginning of Good preparing the heavens and the earth --
2the earth hath existed waste and void, (time 0) and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of Good fluttering on the face of the waters, ( energy existed outside the inishal core big bang)
3and Good saith, `Let light be;' and light is. (Time inishall energy outside the unity iniseated the big bang)
4And Good seeth the light that [it is] good, and Good separateth between the light and the darkness, ( the four primary forces iniseate Gravity is first seporated out)
5and God calleth to the light `Day,' and to the darkness He hath called `Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. ( photon boundary four primary forces exist photons begin)
6And God saith, `Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be separating between waters and waters.'( Good gives it time to expand)
7And Good maketh the expanse, and it separateth between the waters which [are] under the expanse, and the waters which [are] above the expanse: and it is so.( separation of dark mater and matter)educated gues T minus one
8And Good calleth to the expanse `Heavens;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day second. (Good lets it expand)
9And Good saith, `Let the waters under the heavens be collected unto one place, and let the dry land be seen:' and it is so.( Matter begins to condense into first primary suns)Waters = plazma
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Vocabulary inishaly limited we have a brauder vocab today
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10And Good calleth to the dry land `Earth,' and to the collection of the waters He hath called `Seas;' and Good seeth that [it is] good. A sun is a Sea a earth is a solid. The solids that make up earth have begun.
11And Good saith, `Let the earth yield tender grass, herb sowing seed, fruit-tree (whose seed [is] in itself) making fruit after its kind, on the earth:' and it is so. (Good plans the earth-universe)
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IN inishal writings is past and future a valid form of writing , are all things in present tense in very early forms of witing?. like maby first writings had no future tense or past tense to work with.
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12And the earth bringeth forth tender grass, herb sowing seed after its kind, and tree making fruit (whose seed [is] in itself) after its kind; and Good seeth that [it is] good;
13and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day third. Important (Time references day could they correlate, inother words could one day = 45 bilion years or somthing)
14And Good saith, `Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens, to make a separation between the day and the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years, (God begins construction universe)( God plans to use heaveny bodies a signs )
15and they have been for luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth:' and it is so. (The moons and suns exist it is so)
16And Good maketh the two great luminaries, the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small luminary -- and the stars -- for the rule of the night;( Good bulds the earth)
17and Good giveth them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, ( Dimensions are defined)
18and to rule over day and over night, and to make a separation between the light and the darkness; and Good seeth that [it is] good; ( Established boundaries good and evil etc)
19and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day fourth.

Previous evolutionary life formes dinosaurs
20And Good saith, `Let the waters teem with the teeming living creature, and fowl let fly on the earth on the face of the expanse of the heavens.'
21And Good prepareth the great monsters, and every living creature that is creeping, which the waters have teemed with, after their kind, and every fowl with wing, after its kind, and Good seeth that [it is] good.
22And Good blesseth them, saying, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and the fowl let multiply in the earth:'
23and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day fifth.
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24And Good saith, `Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind:' and it is so.(Good sends a destruction and starts over first mention cattle- sacrid cow )
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24And Good said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
( let the earth evolve forth the living creatures) (equivalent ,Key word is earth)
Evolve = new word ,no old word problem
25And Good maketh the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, and Good seeth that [it is] good.
26And Good saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.'
27And Good prepareth the man in His image; in the image of Good He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them. Good plans adam and eve
28And Good blesseth them, and Good saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' (Good evolves adam and eve)
29And Good saith, `Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which [is] the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;
30and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which [is] breath of life, every green herb [is] for food:' and it is so.
31And Good seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day the sixth.

Good alone good is good

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Old 11-12-2007, 10:06 AM
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Christians have become notorious for taking a scientific theory, taking the bible and trying desperately to fit the two together. If the bible was truly a divine inspiration, there would be no explanation needed. The fact that explanations are needed speaks all we need to know. It's a man-made book, written by men 2,000+ years ago.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:30 AM
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Christians have become notorious for taking a scientific theory, taking the bible and trying desperately to fit the two together. If the bible was truly a divine inspiration, there would be no explanation needed. The fact that explanations are needed speaks all we need to know. It's a man-made book, written by men 2,000+ years ago.
Personally, I do not believe in any kind of religion. I think all religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism) are all false. While I don't know much about Buddhism, I think it comes the closest to being true as it is the religion that has a heavy foundation in nature and human nature. Those are universal principles and not specific people, places or edicts which are very easy to pin down and show to have flaws about them.

That being said, I don't agree with your line of argument. You say "The fact that explanations are needed speaks all we need to know." Who needs explanations? Man or God? Man needs them. The fact that we need explanation tells you nothing of what "we need to know." People need all kind of things and our needing all kinds of things tells you absolutely nothing except that we are a needy species.


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Old 11-12-2007, 10:34 AM
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Personally, I do not believe in any kind of religion. I think all religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism) are all false. While I don't know much about Buddhism, I think it comes the closest to being true as it is the religion that has a heavy foundation in nature and human nature. Those are universal principles and not specific people, places or edicts which are very easy to pin down and show to have flaws about them.

That being said, I don't agree with your line of argument. You say "The fact that explanations are needed speaks all we need to know." Who needs explanations? Man or God? Man needs them. The fact that we need explanation tells you nothing of what "we need to know." People need all kind of things and our needing all kinds of things tells you absolutely nothing except that we are a needy species.


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I wasn't clear enough. I meant an explanation of what the bible says, as in to apply it to modern science. I was trying to make the point, that the fact that what the bible says is contrary to what science has shown, trying to explain the differences for the bible, and twisting the bible to match the science says all we need to know about the bible.

I agree we need explanations of nearly everything.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:42 AM
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I am not desperate there fore your definition of Christian is invalid.

Perhaps it is your belief nothing contains absolute truth.

That you perhaps establish a 0 truth basis may be a cultural necessity however it lacks wisdom.

We can agree to disagree if it suits you.

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:36 AM
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I wasn't clear enough. I meant an explanation of what the bible says, as in to apply it to modern science. I was trying to make the point, that the fact that what the bible says is contrary to what science has shown, trying to explain the differences for the bible, and twisting the bible to match the science says all we need to know about the bible.

I agree we need explanations of nearly everything.
Can you tell me where the contradictions lie between the Bible and science?
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:41 AM
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Perhaps ancient man had vision and lack of knowledge.

Perhaps now we lack the vision and have knowledge.

I doubt atheists could compete with the vision early man had.

Give early man some credit he was your Gene pool.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:05 PM
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Christians have become notorious for taking a scientific theory, taking the bible and trying desperately to fit the two together. If the bible was truly a divine inspiration, there would be no explanation needed. The fact that explanations are needed speaks all we need to know. It's a man-made book, written by men 2,000+ years ago.
Of course the text 2000+ years ago are scientifically wrong. And just because it is divine inspiration doesn't mean that there would be no needed explanation. If it was written to be scientifically accurate, how many people back 2000+ years ago would understand even the slightest bit of it? The book would be discarded entirely and never be heard of again. So divine inspiration would have to be "dumbed down" to the understanding level of the people of when it is written.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:12 PM
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With regard to my position on 100% truth I condescend that there may be errors. On my side however, I don’t believe there were errors on the part of the visionary. It is more likely that I am incorrect in the interpretation. I believe the vision was impeccable. If we would utilize the Physics in order to determine a more accurate interpretation of the visionary. My placement of Dark mater, I am particularly curious is the Physics is in alignment

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Old 11-12-2007, 12:55 PM
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