What are your views on abortion? - Political Forum

J.Locke777 · 11-06-2007, 03:19 AM

Here's mine: Let me start out by stating my beliefs that this issue is a state issue, and not a federal issue.

Personally, I believe that abortion is murder, and that is because I believe that life begins at conception. I would never ask that my girlfriend or wife have an abortion. Obviously, this begs the question of cirtain senarios. If the woman's life is in danger, or if she is a victim of Rape, than yes, she should be given the option of terminating her pregnancy.

Professionally, I respect a woman's right to choose, but do not believe that abortion should be used as a substitute to birth control. If a state chooses to allow abortion, there should be some strict guidelines, sanitary and otherwise, placed on these institutions. If I was in charge, I would make it so a report of the situation must be sent to a judge, and the judge must sign off on it for the abortion to occur.The limits on abortions that I stated earlier would apply as well. Also, I would tax the hell out of these institutions. May as well make a little money off of all this

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Bottom Line: While I don't condone abortion, I recognize a woman's ultamate right to choose for herself if granted that right by the state she resides in.

That Darn Republican · 11-06-2007, 10:38 AM

Great thread topic!

My personal view, I'll call it by what it is known for -- a population control tactic, cleverly packaged by feminists in a red pill, blue pill format insisting that somehow a woman has a right to control the life destiny of a future citizen all before she considered her own action in engaging in risky behavior that may result in an unwanted pregnancy in the first place - wrong! That is the real issue... they cleverly wrapped it in a perceived civil right, however no citizen has the right to hold anyone in a life or death position outside of the legal arena already provided to do that. That is the legal argument against for reversal... that and the Stare Desicis argument they based their decision was a carry down precedent from other bad law precedents [Brown vs. Board of Education - Everson vs. Board of Education], hoping that that illicit patch work will stick; it is my personal prayer they ultimately will be corrected... I have that faith. Simply put the government cannot act against its own best interests of preservation of the union. China is ruing the day they ever engaged in population control, abortion is a tool for those looking to make an impact on the population in their life time -- it zeros out the birth rate, while they assemble laws that says who lives and who dies [Terri Schivo type cases] I have a problem with it because i see what it is they are attempting to architect, and that is nothing short of the complete reprobate remolding of America... it's just wrong.

One is not free to engage in any risky behavior without first remembering their civic duty to just say no first, if you can't do that.. why should the state step in with nanny protections at the expense of other tax payers who are not doing that? If you cannot behave in a civil, decent and orderly manner, you are subject to whatever social levies their are of the day, if it is legal then it is legal... if it is a life consequence - so be it, liberals are far to generous with trying to provide state sponsored solutions to perhaps well deserved individual consequences, it is not their constitutional duty to provide such, again great thread.

Viv · 11-06-2007, 11:03 AM

It's a personal decision.
I have spoken against abortion and as a trade union representative and activist, threatened to resign from the union I represented if it adopted a pro-abortion policy. I held very strong anti-abortion views.
However, life experience shows people can find themselves in situations they have not chosen and of which they are not master.
For example, one friend became seriously ill and confined to a wheelchair, having her child might have ended her life...she and her husband decided to abort. The marriage broke down as a result of the stress this decision caused.
I think in the end it is less humane to force unwanted children on an incapable parent, with all the resulting problems of child neglect, poverty, etc etc etc than to allow the other choice.
To introduce government controls...you are talking about women here. The anxiety that would cause to a woman in that situation would be terrible. It would possibly multiply the long-term psychological problems and definitely make the woman's choice more difficult to make.
It is also a feminist issue. Why should a woman be forced to bear and raise the child of an inappropriate and uninterested partner, or even an overbearing one. I have known women abort children without the husband's knowledge and also younger women who aborted without advising their own parents. These women carry a terrible burden for the rest of their lives, but prefer to do so than bear an unwanted child. That is an horrific choice, one I wouldn't care to make.
Should I ever be in that position, I would make my choice. The government is the last thing I'd be thinking about and if it attempted to intervene or gave me any problems, I'd just go underground and act as is right for me anyway.

Aya · 11-06-2007, 01:15 PM

In my opinion abortion is...yes, what is it? It's a hard question to answer.
If a woman wants to abort, the father should have a say also.
I think it is a hard decision, but I don't see it as murder.

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Originally Posted by J.Locke777

If I was in charge, I would make it so a report of the situation must be sent to a judge, and the judge must sign off on it for the abortion to occur.The limits on abortions that I stated earlier would apply as well.

That wouldn't be good. Women who don't want the baby normally don't get it even if you try to constrain them. Also a judge about it...they decide enough, but I don't think that it would work the right way. And what's about the judges? A normal? What's about a doctor as a cadi?

He truly would have more knowledge about it as a normal one.

Oregon Elephant · 11-06-2007, 01:43 PM

I believe that Abortion is wrong when it is just a choice, when the cause of it was a choice that the individual made (this excludes rape, incest, and if the mother's life is endangered).

In my mind it is murder, the sperm and egg, once combined, are going to form a human, I am 100% certain that it won't form anything else but human, so it is essentually human at that.

J.Locke777 · 11-06-2007, 02:31 PM

Well, Freya. My logic in having a judge sign off on it wasn't based on medical knowledge, but rather, they make sure that the women arn't using abortion as BC. If the ladies qualify for an abortion, then so be it, but I would prefer they not have one. There's something about an oversized vacuum sucking out an embryo or fetus that I have a problem with. It degrades the miracle of life into a biohazard. Anyway, I do respect the woman's right to choose, but I would seriously encourage the woman NOT to have an abortion.

Chesty Puller · 11-06-2007, 02:49 PM

I also see abortion as murder. The fact of the matter is this; once conception is achieved that fetus is a human. With this in mind how could it be termed as anything else?

While I respect a womans right to choose as the OP stated this should not be used as a form of Birth Control (then sad thing is, it is being used for bc). As far as Rape, incest or medical reasons I fully support the woman in this case and they should do what is best for themselves.

Bottom line Abortion must not be used as BC and as the bumper sticker says "Its a child, not a choice". The way I see it (ouside of medical emergenices rape etc) you made that choice when you had sex.

Viv · 11-06-2007, 03:10 PM

Locke/Chesty I understand your points, but more suffering will ensue if you ban it.

What would you rather? That the kind of woman who cannot organise birth control and habitually uses abortion in place of it should be forced not to abort? What will that result in? She is not in control... She will continue to be disorganised regardless and then she will produce abused children.
If she can't take control enough to avoid unwanted pregnancy, do you want her responsible for some poor kid?

Oregon Elephant · 11-06-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Viv

Locke/Chesty I understand your points, but more suffering will ensue if you ban it.

What would you rather? That the kind of woman who cannot organise birth control and habitually uses abortion in place of it should be forced not to abort? What will that result in? She is not in control... She will continue to be disorganised regardless and then she will produce abused children.
If she can't take control enough to avoid unwanted pregnancy, do you want her responsible for some poor kid?

I'm irresponsible with money, should the government stop taxing me? She goes through the 9 months of being pregnant gives birth puts it up for adoption, and I'll bet you she just became more organized with birth control.

But that is irrelevant. They have Birth Control that you only need to change once a month (the Ring, with is what my wife is on), hell they have BC that is good for 5 year (the coppor T)! being unorganized is no longer an excuse.

Viv · 11-06-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

I'm irresponsible with money, should the government stop taxing me? She goes through the 9 months of being pregnant gives birth puts it up for adoption, and I'll bet you she just became more organized with birth control.

But that is irrelevant. They have Birth Control that you only need to change once a month (the Ring, with is what my wife is on), hell they have BC that is good for 5 year (the coppor T)! being unorganized is no longer an excuse.

I met a female in hospital who was on her fifth baby, the previous four having been taken from her because she was a mad junkie who couldn't care less about her offspring...there are plenty of her.
It's been tried that way. That's why abortion is legal, is it not?