Gays and the Church: If You're "Out" Why Does A Church Affiliation Matter? - Political Forum

That Darn Republican · 10-13-2007, 08:11 PM

I had the displeasure of being subjected to America’s version of Tokyo Rose on our tax dollar. NPR or the National Public Radio is not longer attempting to feign any sort of propriety or objectivity for their state sponsorship. So as it goes… the Nationalist Proletariat Radio was offering typical biased opinion on a subjected that is sensitive to many people but done in a way that you could call overtly slanted if you were even mildly objective. The subject was on a book apparently highlighting the Church’s bias towards homosexuals and [even better] why they should let gays into the church and still allow them to engage in the behavior.

Well… [to say the least] My ears were not [prepared] to hear the outlandish cavalcade of propagandistic rhetoric that the gay movement espoused as reasons to accept gays into their church, and continued to lash out at Christians as if they were the problem. The host of the show even going as far as to engage in a little bashing exercise in calling those Christians who didn't’t accept gays into their fold was “unreasonable”… I almost dropped what I had in my hand. So I though to myself – we are branded unreasonable by those who are engaging in a behavior abhorred by the Creator of the doctrine we follow and is clearly against our created order; but we’re unreasonable?

Then callers [selected through the cue for their most impactive propaganda] were allowed to spew all sorts of nonsense, but it was done unchallenged… that’s right. They didn't’t’ want Christians calling in, people who know what the Word of God offers in reality over a perceived open book policy that allows one to live in depravity and still be called a Follower of Christ. Come on now… that just takes the cheese right there. God created mankind with a degree of free moral agency, we are free accept or reject His Word if we choose – and to do so is not to say there will be no consequence for that choice in life, but I supposed that is the whole of the matter, consequences. There is an entire segment of the society that believes very firmly that they can eat cake… get all the flavor, all the volume, but no fat? This delusional thinking at its best.

God makes no one follow him, but if you do there are rules, plain and simple. If you invite some one to your house, one typically invites people of like character, correct? If one calls themselves by His standards, then you follow His dictates. People act like Christians invented Christianity, which couldn't’t be further from the truth. They act as though we can make up whatever canon we wish and live any way we choose, not so.

This author had as much scriptural knowledge as a half filled ice tray and could offer no real answers to people asking in earnest questions that a bona fide believer should have been answering. What is the secular fascination with infecting the Church? There is an all out assault on the church from the left. And it has been no secret for some time. But I will simply offer this, If God doesn't’t condone the behavior then who is anyone to question it.? As we didn't’t’ create the scripture, and there are those who go and find a scripture or two here and there to blindly attempt to build a consensus on the matter, but they are without tools because Gods Word is so complete about the fate of those who do not turn from the behavior there is no question an “if” or “but” it is what it is… you are free to engage the lifestyle if you choose as in life… at your own risk, and if you so choose to disengage form the behavior… His word says: “He is faithful and just to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” and restore and renew us, which is why it is referred to as being born again in spirit. That doesn't’t mean you are perfect… it just means you are forgiven.

It doesn't mean you will have no consequences for what it is we do in life. It means we can move past it to a more productive and abundant life according to our Creators plan, as His Word tells us… He has a plan for all of us – we just have to ask Him. But don’t expect people to accept what God won’t, there is a standard… meet it or beat it, or simply His laws are for our protection and spiritual integrity, if you accept them, then respect them.

Agrippina · 10-14-2007, 01:52 AM

If your god so abhors gay people and regards it as a sin, and if he is responsible for every single birth on the planet, they why does he create gay people?

That Darn Republican · 10-14-2007, 06:15 PM

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"If your God so abhors gay people and regards it as a sin,"

Wouldn't you just love to prove that? wouldn't you just love to believe that God hates His own Creation to justify your commonly held line of thought, therefore your behavior? It is written:

"The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward *us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. " II Peter 3:9

What that means is nothing but love -- he gives us grace to conquer our weakness though the power of His Word. He knows we are weak -- the the existance of His Word [John 1] That is what He said, it is not up to me to believe it or not... it still is. It is because the triune God of the Universe set the rules for coming to His house.

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and if he is responsible for every single birth on the planet, they why does he create gay people?

Yes He did Create you and I, but is He repsonsible for our behavior? I think not. Neither of us could control nor predict our living this life -- so life is in fact what He always said life always was... a gift.

A gift is something given to you. You didn't ask for it, it was grace. What is grace? Unmerited favor. God loves you and I Agrippina - not our behavior always. He didn't create bad behavior, we engage in it. Each day is a new day to get it right -- because in the end we are without excuse, and there will be an end. Because according to His Word, His mercies are made new each day... I only pray you find it some day, because it is there for you. Take care and enjoy your day.

That Darn Republican · 10-14-2007, 07:28 PM

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"If any church is going to persecute any given group..."

Church... persecute? That is an oxymoron. The last time I checked, there aren't any gays dying for their "cause" so kindly park it in neutral, that is what persecute means -- don't' be so theatrical.

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"... of people because of the bible they should prosecute all people according to the bible equally."

I'd ask what the heck you are talking about, but in the end you don't even know anyway.

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"Otherwise don't use it as an excuse for your discrimination,"

So you're saying gay people cannot separate their behavior from themselves? You cannot discriminate against a behavior... you invite good behavior and admonish and prosecute bad behavior. If a person can't do that minimum act -- they've got issues.

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"...just admit you are not to fond of gay people and you don't want them to be a part of your little club."

Separate the people from the behavior... I having nothing against people, but just like all behaviors that are proven to be personally self destructive... therefore socially destructive as well, Heck -- I have to call a spade a spade, I despise the behavior because it is bio-illogical, and doesn't even make sense when you remove that, you are left with and act of individual will. That is all it is in the end... so people who advocate the behavior who are [personally]accepting of it are the 'club' as you put it.

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"For instance the bible has about three quotes regarding gays and over a dozen regarding usury. Why aren't all the churches making an active effort in persecuting and excommunicating the sub prime loan sharks? Are they not sinners according to their faith?"

If you can't quote the Scripture don't reference the bible... you liberals are good for repeating something entirely fictitious, but have no understanding or accuracy to it at all. The Word of God is clear in not drawing distinction between types of sin, sin is sin to Him. But He specifically voices a problem with homosexuality because is it a fundamental misuse of one's design, and knowing how much pleasure we derive from our sexual engagements we will do whatever it takes to keep doing it without feeling sting of our convictions because we know it is wrong.

J.Locke777 · 10-14-2007, 08:05 PM

This is the case for my church: Fairfax Circle Baptist Church in in fairfax Virgingia. www.fairfaxcirclechurch.org

All people, regardless of sexual orientation are more then welcome to worship in our facility. Even if homosexuality is a sin, it doesn't matter, I've sinned just as much, and so has everyone else. So we encourage everyone to enter our facility.

That Darn Republican · 10-14-2007, 08:18 PM

Well,

I'll ask you this, do you think Christ would want the church to have an open door policy... but expect the people to allow the work of the Holy Spirit change their lives and adopt the standard? or just come in when they feel particularly bad and need a little comfort, I'd say the latter was not in His purview.

panteth4h2o · 10-14-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by J.Locke777

This is the case for my church: Fairfax Circle Baptist Church in in fairfax Virgingia. www.fairfaxcirclechurch.org

All people, regardless of sexual orientation are more then welcome to worship in our facility. Even if homosexuality is a sin, it doesn't matter, I've sinned just as much, and so has everyone else. So we encourage everyone to enter our facility.

It doesn't matter what you tell them, they are bent and determined on believing that Christians hatefully single out homosexuals and refuse them entrance into our churches. Personally, I don't even bother with trying to change their minds. Waste of time, if you ask me.

Izzibeth · 10-14-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by panteth4h2o

It doesn't matter what you tell them, they are bent and determined on believing that Christians hatefully single out homosexuals and refuse them entrance into our churches. Personally, I don't even bother with trying to change their minds. Waste of time, if you ask me.

Who is "them"?

Because it really looks like, in this thread, there is a Christian doing just what you are saying... so do you honestly blame people for believing that?

That Darn Republican · 10-14-2007, 09:35 PM

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Because it really looks like, in this thread, there is a Christian doing just what you are saying... so do you honestly blame people for believing that?

No... no, no, no. if that is what you come away with, then you had a slant coming into reading. Sad, that is your opinion, article and subsequent replies have been nothing but civil. But, somehow you may hold the view that there is no higher element in 'civil' society than one that advocated and nurtures gay behavior.

panteth4h2o · 10-14-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzibeth

Who is "them"?

Because it really looks like, in this thread, there is a Christian doing just what you are saying... so do you honestly blame people for believing that?

Actually, I do, because I have enough common sense to realize that just because someone opens a thread of this nature on the Internet, it doesn't give me an excuse to generalize and stereotype to the group as a whole. Even I know that what I often read in these threads doesn't always apply to many in the real world.
It's just simply one person's opinion, nothing more.