Sexual Discrimination: Exceptions apply? - Political Forum

Maybe-not · 09-18-2007, 02:05 PM

This tread is mostly targeted at non-Homophobics. Everything i say will be truth, and not posted for shock or debate value.

So, you claim to dislike discrimination on a sexual basis? Most intelligent people say they do, that they would never discriminate people due to their preferences, especially if not applied to reality. (EG someone with different thoughts who don't outlive it)

In reality, most people are extremely biased and prejudging.
For example. Most to all of you, would think the same thing when i say

"I'm a Pedophile".

The first thougts that (most likely) appeared to your mind are:
1. Sick fuck.
2. Child Molester.

Two things people tend to mix pedophilia up with. In reality, it holds very little ground. One does not chose his or hers sexual orientation, it is a matter of Genetics. And even when i guarantee i have never outlived any of my fantasies, or even downloaded Child Porn, and never would, most would still most likely view me as a sick fuck.

I urge people to reconsider their views.

From a matter of legal and moral matters, it makes no sense to convict and/or hate someone for committing a Thought-Crime. You might not like to view Pedofobia as a thought-Crime, but that is exactly what it is. Once you apply hatred and even jail (For stuff such as lolicon: Animated sex cartoons, with children, but featuring no real people) that is a thought-Crime.

Please give it some thought.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 09-18-2007, 02:09 PM

In all seriousness, are you saying that you are a gay pedophile? That's an honest question.

FRYandBENDER · 09-18-2007, 02:11 PM

If you are free to think about harming young children then surely you can understand that we are free to think what we want to about that.

FRYandBENDER · 09-18-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Maybe-not

"I'm a Pedophile".

The first thougts that (most likely) appeared to your mind are:
1. Sick fuck.
2. Child Molester.

Evidently he is clairvoyant too.

FRYandBENDER · 09-18-2007, 02:16 PM

The one thing I really think you're missing here is that there is no thought crime for being a pedophile, or more precisely, having pedophilic (word?) thoughts. You can not be charged with a crime unless you actually commit a crime. I misunderstand where your concern is. As long as you keep your thoughts in your head and do not act on them you will have no problems. Can you be a pedophile without actually acting on your thoughts? Is action a prerequisite for being a pedophile, or is being a pedophile simply having those thoughts?

I still would discriminate against you if you lived in my neighborhood and would not invite you to a barbecue where neighborhood kids might be playing. Sorry about your luck.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · 09-18-2007, 02:23 PM

I would say that the most important thing is primarily the welfare of the child. If you can control your pedophilia then good. What you think in your mind is your concern, as Fry says. If you cannot control it, then you should seek help and avoid contact with children. Likewise, people are definitely justified in keeping pedophiles away from their children.

A pedophile who cannot control his desires would be well-advised to:

* Seek professional help to deal with his urges
* Avoid children and places where one would expect lots of children to be
* Understand that if you mention that you are a pedophile in casual conversation that you will be discriminated against

Maybe-not · 09-18-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

In all seriousness, are you saying that you are a gay pedophile? That's an honest question.

What? No, i'm a "straight" Pedophile, i like little girls, say, the opposite Gender.

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

If you are free to think about harming young children then surely you can understand that we are free to think what we want to about that.

I just ask for tolerance, it's extremely rare these days. If not to change people's minds, what is then the purpose of debate?

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

Evidently he is clairvoyant too.

Said "most likely". I've seen the reactions way to often to not have at least a decent guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

The one thing I really think you're missing here is that there is no thought crime for being a pedophile, or more precisely, having pedophilic (word?) thoughts. You can not be charged with a crime unless you actually commit a crime. I misunderstand where your concern is. As long as you keep your thoughts in your head and do not act on them you will have no problems. Can you be a pedophile without actually acting on your thoughts? Is action a prerequisite for being a pedophile, or is being a pedophile simply having those thoughts?

I still would discriminate against you if you lived in my neighborhood and would not invite you to a barbecue where neighborhood kids might be playing. Sorry about your luck.

Being a pedophile is merely having thoughts. But the exact example of the BBQ is what i mean. You don't know me, and if i was straigt, you'd leave me alone with women, right? (Not your women, i'm simply to good looking.

) And i agree, there is no problem. However, i dislike having to hide it from the world. And i am being punished, by having to keep up a masquerade. Crime and punishment you know, however i never committed any such crime.

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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois

I would say that the most important thing is primarily the welfare of the child. If you can control your pedophilia then good. What you think in your mind is your concern, as Fry says. If you cannot control it, then you should seek help and avoid contact with children. Likewise, people are definitely justified in keeping pedophiles away from their children.

A pedophile who cannot control his desires would be well-advised to:

* Seek professional help to deal with his urges
* Avoid children and places where one would expect lots of children to be
* Understand that if you mention that you are a pedophile in casual conversation that you will be discriminated against

*1 I distrust doctors, I've read some fellow Girlovers (Your own name for the Girl-Specific Pedophilia) who have been ratted out, and latter submitted to "treatment".
* Why so? To live in isolation? It is bad enough being unable to hold someone, but not ever being able to look?
* That is exactly what i seek to change. It's what i think is unfair, and in a high degree worthy of a struggle.

FRYandBENDER · 09-18-2007, 03:05 PM

Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't have any animus towards you personally, but you have to understand just how people think. You're not going to be accepted except by those like yourself.

I'm also skeptical of the whole "I can't help it, it is in my genes argument." I don't think they've even come up with concrete evidence suggesting that gays are genetically gay yet. But the main reason I don't buy into it is because I can't help but ask, where does it end? Do people that bang animals do so because of their genetics? What about people that steal, or kill?

Do you think that sexually abusing little girls is morally acceptable? According to your morals that is.

Viv · 09-18-2007, 03:22 PM

How long do you think it would take for you to progress from looking, to doing??
Your inclination is unacceptable because it would directly affect another human being's (the child) civil rights.
Mothers would be terrified and distraught to find you "looking" at a child. Another unacceptable assault, on the mother's rights.
Mothers are notoriously perceptive when it comes to the safety of their children. I can only hope this is the case where you live and that you have already been observed.
The main thing I think, btw, when I hear about paedophiles, is how can anyone have his head so far up his ass that he can be so completely selfish? It's all about the paedophile. How dare he think only about what HE wants or needs? Children and their families have rights! YOU are unfortunate. That is your problem, not an innocent child's.

Izzibeth · 09-18-2007, 03:37 PM

This one is tough.

The reason why you are treated the way you are is because pedophilia when put into action is abuse. Homosexuality (between consenting adults) is not abuse. Children can not consent. They are too immature and can not (and should not be expected to) understand sexuality. We put an arbitrary age (18 for the most part) on adulthood for a reason. If you are attracted to young girls then you are attracted to children who can not (and, again, should not) be expected to consent or understand sexuality.

There is nothing "wrong" with being attracted to children. It is a fetish that I'm sure can be linked to that whole process that happens in the womb while our sexuality and gender is being chemically formulated (as research suggests). However, it is a fetish that... as I said... if put into practice becomes nothing more than sexual abuse for your own sexual or egotistical (depending on the person) pleasure. It is not something that people will (or should) accept because it is nothing but harmful to the children involved.

Comparing pedophilia to homosexuality and and "sexual discrimination" does not quite work. Yes, it would be nice if people could not hold such anger or disdain towards pedophiles... but you can thank your fellow pedophiles (thousands and thousands of them, by the way.. if not millions) who were unable to keep their hands off of children for that. Because of the sheer number of pedophiles who have abused children, it is an impossible thing to ask people to accept pedophilia. Doing that is almost like asking people to ignore the world and the facts that surround them. Many, many, many, many pedophiles abuse children. Are you asking people to just... accept pedophilia and possibly put their children at risk? That is asking for too much.

In comparing it to homosexuality... homosexuality, while illegal, is not accepted because it is a taboo (whether religious or otherwise). It is not unaccepted because it is abusive. Homosexuality does not pose a threat to non-consenting or non-adult persons. (Then we get into the realm of rape which can be committed by homosexuals and heterosexuals and is sexually abusive just as the action of having sex with children). Homosexuality, as far as I know, is also not filed under the category "fetish" whereas I'm pretty sure pedophilia would be. Homosexuals and heterosexuals are attracted to sexually mature adults or sexually maturing young adults who are either the same or opposite sex (depending on homo or hetero).

FETISH
(relevant definition)
c : an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression

I don't want to get into the major details but from what I understand (and one might have to do some more research) and I don't mean this to be insulting but... pedophiles are attracted to children more as objects than human beings because children are asexual. There is no outward sexuality attached to them by nature (for a reason). There is an element of power, innocence (which plays into power), virginity (again... playing into power), and more which plays into pedophilia.

So... while I am sorry that you are having troubles because of discrimination while you have not committed any crimes... it is not everyone else's fault that you are feeling this way. It is the fault of other pedophiles in society and the actions they have chosen. Pedophiles pose a risk to children. You can not expect people to accept that risk when they do not have to.

As for you, yourself... pedophilia is a sexual fetish. It is your decision to broadcast it to the world if you choose but you are asking for unnecessary trouble. If your neighbor comes forward and says he enjoys fantasizing about sex with dogs.... he is fantasizing about bestiality (another form of sexual abuse towards someone who can not/will not/should not have to give consent.. although towards animals). It may sound silly but are you going to let him babysit your beagle when you go on vacation for a couple of weeks? It doesn't matter if he has never done it before. Why should you put your dog at risk? Will you ever look at him the same again? Why did he feel the need to tell you this in the first place?

Your sexual fetishes are not everyone else's business. There are soooo many sexual fetishes it's impossible to cover them all but some of them, if you choose to let others know about them (for the sake of this argument let's say that you never actually do them.. just fantasize) then you have brought it upon yourself. Many people are open-minded but... testing that to the limit is really your own prerogative. Expecting people to accept sexual fetishes which pose risks to yourself or others (especially children) just isn't realistic.

I mean... honestly... which one bothers you more?

a) the guy who likes to be masturbated by his lovers' feet
or
b) the guy who likes to cut his penis with razors to get off

There are reasons why one bothers you (and society) more than the other.

Sorry so long... it's a tough one to respond to. And I could probably say more.

If you're looking for advice, mine would be to keep your sexual fetishes to yourself and/or people with whom you are sexual. Everyone else does not need to know. It is unnecessary. Pedophilia will never be accepted by Western culture because, as I said, sex with non-consenting children (this encompasses all children because children can not consent with understanding to sex) is abusive towards the children. Keep it to yourself. Everyone has fetishes and not everyone feels the need to broadcast it to the world. Many have good reason. And don't act on your pedophilia because you will only further worsen things. Perhaps role-playing with partners or even cyber sex role-playing is a more healthy alternative.