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Old 08-17-2007, 06:32 AM
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States Rebel Against IDs

States are not receiving the idea too well at all. Personally, if I get one I also want guys dressed in black that stop me ask "for my papers". Wait we already have that. Nver mind!

(CNN) -- Americans may need passports to board domestic flights or to picnic in a national park next year if they live in one of the states defying the federal Real ID Act.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says there are no plans for a federal database of drivers' information.

The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill, aims to weave driver's licenses and state ID cards into a sort of national identification system by May 2008. The law sets baseline criteria for how driver's licenses will be issued and what information they must contain.


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Old 08-17-2007, 07:43 AM
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Count me out of that one.
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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says there are no plans for a federal database of drivers' information.
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:40 AM
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Besides the fact that they have already shown themselves to be complete incompetent when it comes to keeping this information out of the hands of hackers and identity thieves.
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Fucking governments who thinks it knows whats best.

Maybe I should read 1984 again to see if that was just a book and not a revelation.
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:39 PM
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It would be well to consider the following:

SSAN / ENTNAC / Credit card #'s / Registry of birth / National "fingerprint your child" programs / IRS filings / Wedding licenses / and many more. I'd say that there currently exists quite a "national data base" of info on pratically all of us................

How is it that UPS can find anyone anywhere and deliver a package and the entire US Government with all it's resources can't find illegal immigrants?
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Because our government is very incompetent and unable to do much right nowadays, and these unconstitutional laws constantly passed are proof of that.
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:07 PM
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Yes, that was my point, I understand the workings of GPS, thanks.

Would it not then be in our best interest to have a "tamper proof" ID card? How much of our "civil liberties" do we surrender to assure our security? It is a troubling question and one that is surely debated by our elected officials (or, at least, I hope they debate it)

Fradulent ID's are sold in mall's, flea markets and on street corners all over the Nation and the problem is growing rapidly...............again, would the ID make sense or is it too much "liberty" to surrender for security? Considering the plethera of info that can be obtained on pratically any individual today by just googling and doing a little research, is the idea of a "tamper proof" National ID card so absurd?

I'm not sure, will have to consider this one some more........
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:45 PM
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The "Real ID" for a national identification card would put humungous power in the hands of government for surveillance and control of US citizens. It would only be a matter of time before there would be humungous abuses of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I don't understand; isn't the idea to have ID that's almost identical to State driver's licenses, except harder to fake? That's hardly the absolute power you're talking about, it's just tying together a system that's already in place on a federal level. I don't think the problem is the concept behind the law; it's the realistic problems of implementing such a law.
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A common complaint is that Real ID is an unfunded mandate. States could face costs of more than $11 billion over five years, according to a survey of motor vehicle agencies that was jointly done by the National Conference of State Legislatures, the National Governors Association, and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.
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The law also may represent a threat to privacy. It calls for a linked system of state databases, which some state legislators say would be a "picnic" for identity thieves.
(source) But as a general idea I think this legislation is going in the right direction: Kids fake driver's licenses just to buy alcohol or cigarettes, isn't it about time we had an ID system that would actually reflect a person's identity?
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It's also very tyrannical, almost as though Nazi Germany is coming back to life, only the troops have U.S. flags instead of swastikas.
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