|
|
|
Dear guest,
Welcome to the internet's top destination for the civil discussion of politics. This is a forum for discussion and debate of the issues, and not for personal remarks aimed at other discussants.
This forum has no political affiliation and welcomes your perspective on the issues. Membership is free. If you would like to join the discussions and debates please REGISTER HERE.
All new members should review the forum rules. The "Today's Posts" button automatically adjusts itself to fit your screen on its first use for Firefox and on its second use, for Internet Explorer. Have a pleasant day. (This is a spam free board.)
|
 |
|

07-05-2007, 01:14 AM
|
|
Conscript
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1
|
|
|
How Far Is Too Far
“How Far Is Too Far”
We live in world of fast everything-fast cars, fast emails, fast jobs. You name it, it’s fast. But are we moving so quickly that we are allowing ourselves to be put to sleep and desensitized? I recently had a connecting flight through Heathrow Airport in London, England and was surprised at what transpired there. As I stood in the security line, I overheard two Canadian girls discussing what they perceived as a gross violation of rights and how they couldn’t believe what they were seeing. I paid no mind to the details of their discussion because I was on my twentieth hour of travel thinking about how I had been wearing the same underwear for two days. Then, that gross violation those Canadian girls spoke of earlier, happened to me. As I went through the security line, I was one of the lucky individuals that security personnel randomly chose to pat down. I expected it to be a gentle scan with all major body parts being avoided. I was wrong. When the attendant hit my breast region, she didn’t go around my blessings as I had anticipated, but instead she grabs, squeezes and makes sure that no area of the breast went without some loving. She then proceeds down to my crotch where she strokes me and checks all nooks and crannies down there. After she was done I felt like asking, “Was that good for you?” Is this kind of behavior done in the name of security going too far and have we allowed ourselves to be put to sleep by accepting everything we are told? Have we become desensitized about our sensitive areas? The answer is YES.
After I was felt up by security and finally freed from the hands of investigation, I later observed many other females and males going through the same treatment. Their personal body parts were squeezed, rubbed, patted, gropped you name it. Now of course I was so appalled I immediately began to share my story with others and you know the first question that I got from people, “Was it a female?” I don’t know which disappointed me the most, the fact that I was treated as a teenage boy’s blow up doll by security personnel or the fact that people think it is ok as long as I was rubbed down by a female. I don’t care if you are man, women, animal or Big Bird, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY VIOLATE ME FOR ANY REASON, EVER!!! Now some of you might say, well this happened in London, England, it could never happen here or you may even argue “Hey it’s for our own safety”. The reality is there have already been numerous reports of such gross violations in various airports across the United States. We really must be aware and awake. If we are not careful, strip searches and cavity searches could be next on the list. It is a basic freedom to be able to determine who touches your body and how. I love my freedoms, every one of them. I love that I get to choose what career I do, where I want to live, who I want to live with, how I want to live, who I spend time with, where I eat out, where I play sports, you name it. I value every single freedom. Some many things are happening to us under the guise of security these days and what concerns me is that no one questions it. They don’t question anything for that matter. They just say “ok I’ll do whatever you tell me to do” and then off to unawareness they go. If we are not careful, we may all wake up one day and the freedoms that we once enjoyed and took for granted may be robbed out from under us. Now some of you are asking “what can we do?” Well, for starters you can talk back or speak up when things don’t make sense or seem right. You could watch the news with more awareness, asking questions like “why am I being told this, could there be another side to the story, is information being left out of this story, why would someone want me to believe this, or who or what could possibly benefit if I believed this? Now you don’t have to speak up or question from a place of anger but we can do it with solidarity and from a standpoint of really trying to look at things objectively. Everything is not as it seems and it is definitely not as it is being presented to us. Your task is simple, take two seconds and ask the question WHY? Many of you think that our loss of freedom could never happen in the near future or in your life time but have you really thought about fifteen years from now? When you have passed from this Earth and your children and loved ones have been left behind, have you left them the best possible world you can? Will they still enjoy the same basic freedoms that you had or will those freedoms no longer exist? Will they be like slaves being told what to think, what to do, and how to do it with no room for freedom of will? Will freedom of choice be so far removed from their thinking that it is as if they were given a pill to wipe out their memory so that they will never ever remember such freedom and possibility existed? What world will you leave behind?
When I picture the future of our world, I still see unlimited positive possibilities. I still believe in the human and its unlimited potential. Do you? Do you believe that you can make a difference in such a simple way? Well, I know you can and I hope you will. It’s in you. You have more power than you think, USE IT. Our future depends on it.
By: Rhonda Hines
|

07-05-2007, 02:27 AM
|
 |
Moderator
McCain lied about Clark, don't run from lies
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,504
Country:
|
|
|
I had an operation once, and I had bloody bandages beneath my shirt where an incision had been made. I asked the airport officer not to touch me where I had that covered wound. It's not because of the pain, but it was not sanitary. He was good enough to be gentle but he still patted down that area of my wound anyway.
I have been frisked in a very personal way on two other occasions in areas besides airports and I really did not appreciate it.
WEB
|

07-07-2007, 08:09 AM
|
|
Conscript
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 47
|
|
|
I would rather die in a terrorist attack than surrender the freedom to not be molested before boarding a plane.
To paraphrase Ben Franklin: if we give up liberty to gain security, we deserve neither.
|

07-07-2007, 02:32 PM
|
 |
Squire
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 170
Location: Southern California
Country:
|
|
|
.
In the US at least, airliners are private property - hence rights aren't involved. Don't want to be groped? Don't get on the plane.
|

07-07-2007, 03:10 PM
|
|
Marquis
Skeptical Patriot
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,170
|
|
|
On the other hand, if you want to go to most other countries, you HAVE to fly and if being groped due to a federal mandate is offensive it can and should be stopped.
The airlines are private only in the sense that private companies OWN them. What they DO is heavily regulated and it isn't their idea to practically molest passengers before they board. That has nothing to do with private property.
__________________
Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.
|

07-07-2007, 06:42 PM
|
 |
Squire
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 170
Location: Southern California
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbler1
On the other hand, if you want to go to most other countries, you HAVE to fly and if being groped due to a federal mandate is offensive it can and should be stopped.
The airlines are private only in the sense that private companies OWN them. What they DO is heavily regulated and it isn't their idea to practically molest passengers before they board. That has nothing to do with private property.
|
Most people do agree with those practices, and while not PC, they are entirely reasonable in wartime and consistent with the use islamofascist mass murderers have made of airplanes. And an airline really DOESN'T owe you a ride anywhere.
|

07-07-2007, 07:19 PM
|
|
Marquis
Skeptical Patriot
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,170
|
|
|
They never HAVE "owed" me a ride. But once I give them my money they'd damn well better give me one. And since there are several airlines to patronize, they have an obligation to the stockholders (and owners) to make as sure as possible I don't go to a competitor the next time I fly.
This is why I say the groping is the rule by the government and NOT the airlines. And I don't think most people agree with ALL the screening practices. They ENDURE them but some of the unnecessary ones are not universally appreciated.
__________________
Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.
|

07-09-2007, 12:54 PM
|
|
Conscript
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 47
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Most people do agree with those practices
|
Source please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
and while not PC, they are entirely reasonable in wartime
|
By this definition of "wartime", there will never be end to it. There's no singular enemy that we can say we've defeated. This has nothing to do with Iraq. Its the war on terror. So when will that war be over? When there's never any more terrorists? Good luck with that.
In the meantime, I want the right to travel by air without being molested. If you are so afraid of dying in a terrorist attack, don't fly and go live in the wilderness.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
and consistent with the use islamofascist mass murderers have made of airplanes.
|
These terrorists have used car/truck bombs FAR more than planes, but funny, I don't read of near-strip searches of vehicles heading into New York or Washington. By your reasoning, drivers and passengers in cars and trucks should be pulled over on roadways heading into major US cities and fondled to be sure they are not carrying weapons of mass destruction.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
And an airline really DOESN'T owe you a ride anywhere.
|
If I've purchased a ticket, they most certainly do. And I should not have to endure a GOVERNMENT screener molesting me or my wife in order to claim the ride my ticket dollars have earned me.
|

07-12-2007, 03:36 AM
|
 |
Hermes' Bird Moderator
It is only when you refuse to give in with all your heart that you begin to transcend your humanity
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,742
Location: Amestris
Country:
|
|
|
would you rather lose the groping and have the possibility of another attack, or keep it and minimise that possibility?
__________________
Just A Humble Bounty Hunter
"Is there an indelible line dividing sanity from insanity? Or do they change, one into the other at the slightest turn of events? We'll find out, soon enough, that the world itself is insane."
The BEST comic ever!!!
Discuss the Issue, NOT the Poster
|

07-12-2007, 07:55 AM
|
 |
DoubleplusgoodMod
Larga vida y prosperidad.
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,834
Location: Planet Vulcan
Country:
|
|
|
"Those who would surrender liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security".
__________________
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."
Isaac Asimov
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:25 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
A vBSkinworks Design
 |
|