Hello all. It's good site you have here. Anyway I'll get on to telling you what's on my mind.

In America a few years ago a group of white students decided to organise an all white prom. Shortly after the media got wind of it, the public did too and many in America were outraged. The question is: why? What prompted the media to make a story about people choosing to associate with whom they wanted and why the public outrage? Would a prom for lesbians only be sexist? Would there be the same level of outrage?

In anticipation of an argument along the lines of 'this type of thing is reminicent of early 1900's America or South Africa's aparthied' I'll say: no it isn't. In fact, it's the opposite. This prom, as I said earlier, is group of people associating with whom they choose. This differs markedly from government imposed seperation, based not on freedom of association, but race. The prom involved a group of people choosing for themselves who they'll socialise with. Segregation on the other hand, was decided upon by the government and they are the ones who implemented it.

The prom was not an isolated case of outrage at people choosing to congregate with those of one's own race. Many articles bemoan the self-segregation found in American universities, white flight and people having very few friends of other ethnicities. Government officials have even tried to devise ways to counter people's freedom to associate.

The hypocrisy about all this that those on the left say a gay man shouldn't be discriminated against because of his sexual preference but appear to be hostile to whites who have a social preference for their own race. Just as it's non-one's business who people choose to sleep with as long as they're of age, it's no-one's business who people choose to socialise and live among.

It seems to me that as soon as someone from a minority yells "racism" whites have to walk on eggshells and that being racist is worse than being a rapist. What's wrong with being white and wanting to associate exclusively with whites?

As long as they do not advocate violating the constitutional rights of non-whites, nothing is wrong with it.

Do you mean that nothing is wrong with it LEGALLY or MORALLY?

Holding a 'white' prom parallel to a school sponsored prom is one thing. Excluding a particular group from a school sponsored prom is another.

PC run amok...I'm glad I'm 68 years old, not much more of this shit to put up with!

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Does anyone think it is morally right to hold white only proms, parallel to a school sponsored prom?

Morally right, maybe or maybe not. Legal, yes.

That said, you would need to visit the area in GA in which this occurred. I'm not sure I'd let my kids go to the integrated prom there. (I'd probably just not let them go to prom). There is a major SES class difference between some of the whites and most of the blacks.

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"Maybe or maybe not", it's morally right to be racist?

My argument is that it's beyond racism. It's more of a matter of social class.

I've driven through the part of Georgia in question. It's very rural and is a much different place to live than is a city or a suburb. Most of the black kids and most of the white kids living there live totally different lifestyles. In addition, the white kids would be totally overwhelmed and outnumbered at a prom there. Finally, the music they listen to is totally different. The white kids listen to country. The black kids to hiphop. (this is based on what I heard blaring from their vehicles the last time I drove through the area). No matter which music chosen, somebody would be miserable.

My point. It's not as cut and dried as you make it out. I'm not going to judge them, as I don't live the way they do. I am realistic to realize that if I had the misfortune to move to rural Georgia, I might do the same thing.

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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
— Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

It's a clear cut issue of racism. I'm not even bothering to argue about legality. The legal truth is the legal truth. That's not what is of primary importance to me. What is of importance is whether people are saying that racism is ok or not.

If we are talking about morality and not about law, then the issues is purely about whether or not racism is moral or not. It doesn't matter if all blacks listen to rap and all whites listen to country (which is never the case). Even if that were the case, that does not change the fact that racism is racism. If there is a black guy who likes country or can at least tolerate country and you do not invite him to the "country music" prom, then that is racism, pure and simple.

You say that if you lived out there that this is what you would do? If you lived in rural Georgia and you knew a black guy who could at least tolerate country, you would not send him an invite to the white prom? If you wouldn't invite him because he is black then you are a racist. It's simple.


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There are places now where ethnic groups generally keep to them selves. My father grew up speaking Polish and attending a school(in the US) where only Polish was spoken by the Catholic nuns. Things have changed a lot since then, but there are still ethnic groups that prefer their own company(persons of Mexican heritage, et. AL.). In some instances it may be unintended or convenient. But this kind of thing has been going on for thousands of years (Jews in Europe), and it was not questioned as being immoral.