3v3r1ast

Freedom,do you belive in them????I do belive in them but for me,human cannot have too much freedom,theres a limit in freedom.When human is given to much freedom they will become wild it wil be chaos and anarchy.Discipline is the most important thing in human with out it human are just like animal.

Public_Enemy

Yeah it is just like democracies destroy themselves at the end.. But Human is not static, it is evolving and I hope human beings evolve to a state that can handle more and more of freedom..
main point is the balance between evolution level and the level of freedoms..

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Independent147

What is true freedom, anyways? Is it that your will may be unopposed, that anything you wish to do you may do? But what if you are stabbed to death by your neighbor because in a fit of anger they decided to use their freedom to kill you? Your friends band together to kill that neighbor. His friends come back to kill them. It turns into a full scale war. Is that true freedom? Or is true freedom simply that you can do anything unopposed, with no one to come back and kill you after you kill your neighbor? WHAT IS TRUE FREEDOM?

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Mover

In the political sense, true freedom is the inalienable right to live your life as you choose, responsible for yourself, while not infringing on the rights and freedoms of others.

If you are looking for a philosophical answer, well, that is pointless rhetoric.

Seer

yep.

In response to the beginning post:

All humans are always inherently free at all times. Every human being has the freedom to do anything within their powers but they will always live with their consequences. Politically, there is only “too much freedom” for those who abuse their freedom for selfish purposes to which the end result harms others. Or in other words, when the freedom obstructs the ethical consensus. It seems to me that you perceive the ethical consensus to be obstructed too much. Is this an unfair assumption?

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REAL

Sticks and stones break bones but words never hurt.

The amount of freedom we have should be based on that saying. We should be allowed to say and do whatever as long as we are not causing physical harm to another person.

africanhope

I don't think the problem is too omuch freedom, but that people want freedom without the responsibility. Freedom does not always break down boarders, but in many cases reates it, through the mass of responsibilities that come with it.

People have to learn "Just because I CAN say something, doesn't mean I HAVE to."

This goes, offcourse, to more than just the freedom of speech, but the idea remains the same

AH

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REAL

How much freedom do we have if we dont have the freedom to take our own life?

Independent147

Damn REAL, are you pro suicide or something? I've read three of your posts and two talked of suicide.
I kind of like the idea of 'say what you may, but don't fuckin touch me' but saying stuff is an instagator for someone to ocme out and fucking kill you.
If you called me a 'mother fucking nigger' and such, I may find that I have a small (or large, hehehe) knife in my back pocket, and thinking that you have agrivated me enough, silence you with a cut. I then go to court and say 'he was bringing it upon himself' and such. Whose side does the court take? They know there is freedom of speech, but also they know you were instigating a fight. You're family would say 'he has freedom of speech'. And you'll say that right now. But is it really right to be walking down the street swearing at everything and everyone and not expect to be KO'd?

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"There are three things that should never be talked about; politics, religion, and... the Great Pumkin."
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emptypepsi

I believe in it, but also believe that government serves as a necessary evil to keep others from infringing the rights of their fellow man (too keep us away from Anarchy). Sadly, people today misunderstand the role of Government as the way it was set up to be - only a necessary evil. Most people think it's necessary in their day to day lives, when it isn't and shouldn't be.

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